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GTG 1860-o Half Dime (Grade Posted)

DrewUDrewU Posts: 200 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 10, 2018 11:55AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Grade just posted this week as part of a raw submission. Either graded higher or lower than I expected (given an admittedly limited knowledge of the type)

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I nailed it! :)

    NICE COIN.

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    Don't see much wrong with that coin.

    5? 6? 7?

    I'll guess MS66.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 6:47PM

    58.

  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice looking half dime.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweet !!! :)

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was close. Great looking half dime.

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 9:00PM

    Yikes. I think I'm going to censor myself from GTG. lol

    Those photos are very good. :)

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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64... Nice color.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A few little marks and scratches, heavier on the reverse, with that little dig between the M and E.
    Hard to tell about the luster - if nicer than I think, 62 shot 63. If as it appears, then I'm also in the 58 camp.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... I was totally out of the ballpark on this one..... :( Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 62. Going on to check... :D

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was way off. LOL.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    I was way off. LOL.

    +1.
    .

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First a question: The grade is not posted yet members are commenting that they were too low. how do they know?

    The coin is "Unc enough." Note the dark line of friction down the arm. It is a fairly beat up but the color is going to give it a bump. I'm going to guess it is graded MS-64 for that reason. Without the toning, it would not be very attractive.

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2, Using the PCGS certification number, you can get the grade from the PCGS website here: https://www.pcgs.com/cert

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MikeInFL said:
    @Insider2, Using the PCGS certification number, you can get the grade from the PCGS website here: https://www.pcgs.com/cert

    Thanks and phooey - NOT worth the trouble. I'll wait for the OP to post it.

    Besides, why play guess the grade then? Anyone can look it up - bummer. Furthermore, It would be very nice if the folks who looked the grade up would keep their findings to themselves. Hint, hint!

    IMO, the most helpful GTG would show a sharp image of the coin that could be magnified. Then: The ONLY valid guesses would be those where the member posted the reasons why they reached that grade opinion. We could teach each other a lot more about grading than we do now.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you click on the image you get the big version.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 11:35AM

    Holy Moley... I wasn't as off as Mike, but I still had this as an MS coin..

    Edited to add... I wonder if they viewed the toning break on the cheek as wear?

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Holy Moley... I wasn't as off as Mike, but I still had this as an MS coin..

    Edited to add... I wonder if they viewed the toning break on the cheek as wear?

    OK, so I guess the coin is graded AU. I'm with the Uncirculated guys.

    If I were a collector stuff as this would drive me crazy. Guess that's why we can only guess with an imaged coin. Here is something to think about:

    The coin has some obvious wear down the arm. The coin is also a little beat up. Nevertheless, IMHO, the coin is under graded based on the "standards" in use today. Is this coin WORTH AU money or WORTH low MS money?

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Holy Moley... I wasn't as off as Mike, but I still had this as an MS coin..

    Edited to add... I wonder if they viewed the toning break on the cheek as wear?

    OK, so I guess the coin is graded AU. I'm with the Uncirculated guys.

    If I were a collector stuff as this would drive me crazy. Guess that's why we can only guess with an imaged coin. Here is something to think about:

    The coin has some obvious wear down the arm. The coin is also a little beat up. Nevertheless, IMHO, the coin is under graded based on the "standards" in use today. Is this coin WORTH AU money or WORTH low MS money?

    Those pesky standards keep changing. >:)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 1:38PM

    @cameonut2011 said: "Those pesky standards keep changing."

    I don't think this coin fits that category. IMO, this is a case of the prevailing standards not being applied the same on this coin as for others. There must be a reason on the coin we cannot see. Perhaps it is as easy to understand as the old time dealer used: If the coin has a little friction and no marks, it's probably MS. If it has a little friction and looks as this coin does, it is an AU. The obverse is very marked up when magnified. I still think it will be graded MS one day.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the photo, that friction seems to be such as is caused by Gulf of Mexico air blowing over it after it was struck.
    :p

  • 3Legs3Legs Posts: 103 ✭✭

    That's a nice coin. High AU or low MS, it's pretty!

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3Legs said:
    That's a nice coin. High AU or low MS, it's pretty!

    I agree, it is a pretty coin... but that's about a $250 range in price.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the reverse on this type!

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin could of easily gone a lot higher.
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  • DrewUDrewU Posts: 200 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018 11:54AM

    Thanks for the guesses everyone! If you didn’t cheat and look up the cert number :-), PCGS graded the coin AU-55. I thought it would go somewhere in the Ms-62 range, so my ulterior motive for posting it was to draw on the collective wisdom of the board to better understand what I might be missing as far as friction on the high points.

    I’m excited to get the coin back in hand to see if there is something else going on that I missed that might have capped the grade. Obverse has a PL look, and I think Phil did a phenomenal job of capturing the color and overall look of the coin in the TrueView.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it could be a candidate for a gold sticker - so you have that going for you!

    As I pointed out that little dig on the reverse previously, I'm wondering if that detracted enough to get it a lower net grade. Frankly even with that, with that nice tone, I still think it's a 58 minimum.

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