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What is the "key coin" for a U.S. Type set?

jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

I know, it's an impossible question because not everyone includes the same coins in their type set. But it could be a fun discussion. [Or not...I'm always open to "not". :)]

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hmmm...maybe it was an easier question than I thought... I need to think on it.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What about the 1792 Half disme?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018 7:58AM

    @jmlanzaf said:
    What about the 1792 Half disme?

    Many type collectors think that is a pattern. NGC added it to their type registry after I asked them about it, but, oddly enough, it is still a “display only” piece in their early half dime set.

    The 1792 half disme is more common than the 1796-7 half dollar. It brings higher prices in most of the similar grades because the demand for it goes beyond type coin interests.

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018 8:12AM

    I agree with Bill about the small eagle half being the toughest of the non-gold types and the no stars QE as well.

    I think the more interesting discussion would be about the semi-key types. There are some deceptively tough ones not on the above list of two, and at the risk of taking this one too far afield of the OP's topic, I'd be interested in some of the more (and less!) experienced type collector's take on this slightly more nuanced question about semi-key types.

    And FWIW I of the opinion that the half disme should be included the US type set, and it's one of the semi-keys I was referring to above.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gobrecht Dollar is semi key

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the perspective of the 'everyman's' 7070 basic type set, I've always had problems locating decent examples of the Classic Head large cent, and the two Seated Dollar examples for folks I've worked with (in addition to my own).

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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭

    1793 Liberty cap cent

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018 8:47AM

    Which Type Set? The aforementioned are without question hard to obtain, but which set are you referring to?

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/9

    The Liberty Cap Cent, Beaded Border (1793) has the highest weight (10.0) within the "Complete U.S. Type Set, Circulation Strikes (1792-1964)"

    There are a couple of 9's on the list;

    Chain Cent (1793) 1793 Chain 9.00
    Bust Half Disme (1792) 1792 9.00
    Draped Bust Half Dollar, Sm Eagle (1796-1797) 9.00
    Draped Bust $2 1/2, No Stars (1796) 1796 9.00
    Capped Bust $2 1/2, Large Bust (1808) 1808 9.00

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jcping said:
    1793 Liberty cap cent

    Most Type collectors will fill that spot with a 1795 Plain Edge Pole to Cap Cent, which is the most common "Red Book" variety. The 1793 Cap Cent is different, but most collectors don't get that detailed with the early types.

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  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is crucial to have a nice 1921 Peace Dollar. It is an important one year type coin.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Peace_dollar88 said:
    I think it is crucial to have a nice 1921 Peace Dollar. It is an important one year type coin.

    I feel the same way about the 1907 High Relief Saint-Gaudens double eagle.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    What about the 1792 Half disme?

    Many type collectors think that is a pattern. NGC added it to their type registry after I asked them about it, but, oddly enough, it is still a “display only” piece in their early half dime set.

    The 1792 half disme is more common than the 1796-7 half dollar. It brings higher prices in most of the similar grades because the demand for it goes beyond type coin interests.

    Really? How can you disagree with a question?

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  • csdotcsdot Posts: 707 ✭✭✭✭

    My recollection from doing the 7070 type set with raw (ungraded) coins was the 1808-1814 Large Cent and the two Seated Liberty Dollars being the most costly/difficult to locate. I am working on the online registry now, so my difficulty is more in buying duplicates that are currently in other holders (since PCGS will not take NGC, and NGC will no longer take PCGS hollered coins).

    https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/mysetregistry/album/143521

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    Which Type Set? The aforementioned are without question hard to obtain, but which set are you referring to?

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/9

    The Liberty Cap Cent, Beaded Border (1793) has the highest weight (10.0) within the "Complete U.S. Type Set, Circulation Strikes (1792-1964)"

    There are a couple of 9's on the list;

    Chain Cent (1793) 1793 Chain 9.00
    Bust Half Disme (1792) 1792 9.00
    Draped Bust Half Dollar, Sm Eagle (1796-1797) 9.00
    Draped Bust $2 1/2, No Stars (1796) 1796 9.00
    Capped Bust $2 1/2, Large Bust (1808) 1808 9.00

    That is the question. People do type sets all kinds of ways.

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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Parking Lot DDO's...............Tee Hee

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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am working on a modified type set including gold, but just not the basic pieces. I adjusted the set to fit some coins that interest me the most. So to answer your question my key coin is a MCMVII High Relief. That's not because it's rare, but because it's the most expensive and my favorite piece in the whole set. I'm sure some of the early coins will cost thousands, but none will be as expensive for me or as rewarding to pick up.

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  • rln_14rln_14 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭

    @OldEastside said:
    Parking Lot DDO's...............Tee Hee

    Steve

    well for some, those are very easy to find...

  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would have to be the Big Mac token. :)

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @BillJones said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    What about the 1792 Half disme?

    Many type collectors think that is a pattern. NGC added it to their type registry after I asked them about it, but, oddly enough, it is still a “display only” piece in their early half dime set.

    The 1792 half disme is more common than the 1796-7 half dollar. It brings higher prices in most of the similar grades because the demand for it goes beyond type coin interests.

    Really? How can you disagree with a question?

    I thought the exact same thing

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No need to follow anything as you can also make up your own rules...

    Such as a second year, last year type set, or whatever floats your budgets boat.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @BillJones said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    What about the 1792 Half disme?

    Many type collectors think that is a pattern. NGC added it to their type registry after I asked them about it, but, oddly enough, it is still a “display only” piece in their early half dime set.

    The 1792 half disme is more common than the 1796-7 half dollar. It brings higher prices in most of the similar grades because the demand for it goes beyond type coin interests.

    Really? How can you disagree with a question?

    I don't understand you complaint. You said "1792 half disme?" and I responsed with the view that some collectors take about the coin. They classify it as a pattern, not a regular issue coin.

    The four dollar gold piece is most certainly a pattern and yet PCGS includes it in their type coin registry. I disagree with that, but it probably does increase the demand for coin. If you have to have both (braided and flowing hair), that can get very expensive.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018 11:32AM

    Really? How can you disagree with a question?

    I don't understand you complaint. You said "1792 half disme?" and I responsed with the view that some collectors take about the coin. They classify it as a pattern, not a regular issue coin.

    The four dollar gold piece is most certainly a pattern and yet PCGS includes it in their type coin registry. I disagree with that, but it probably does increase the demand for coin. If you have to have both (braided and flowing hair), that can get very expensive.

    I'm not referring to your answer. I'm referring to your use of the disagree button.

    It's not really a complaint, I'll just feel freer to hit the disagree button with you. My slight shock is that if I made the statement: "1792 disme" as though that were the answer, it makes sense to disagree or agree. When I ask a question: "how about a disme?", it makes little sense to disagree or agree with the posing of a question.

    If I said, "does anyone know where the bathroom is?", would you disagree?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018 2:03PM

    I'm not referring to your answer. I'm referring to your use of the disagree button.

    Sorry, I did not realize the thing had been pressed. I answered this on my iPad, not the desktop. My finger must have run over it some how. I have reversed it in any case. B)

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