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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 6:12AM

    @RogerB said:
    The poster was, admittedly, a little odd - but, there was also some progress when members were patient with him. It would likely have been a very slow acclimation process.

    I occasionally read his posts. He seemed to be trying towards the end. Correct me If I’m wrong but he didn’t seemed concerned about value. Maybe in his own way he was Just trying to fit in. We are all wired differently.

    If one firmly believes a poster to be a troll then “ignore” is your best friend. Real trolls fade away when they get no attention to feed on.

    My daughter is an autistic specialist. With the stories she has told me over the years I often lean towards giving the “socially awkward” the benifit of the doubt. In most cases it costs nothing

    Regardless I thought his posts were basically Innocuous troll or not.

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  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @WaterSport said:
    I have wondered if some of these folks are not trolls, but simply a person with some mental health issues who has found coins as a hobby, but lacks the awareness to take posted advice.

    WS

    Very possible in a few cases.

    I would guess pdlp was on the autism spectrum. He had many hallmarks: occasional outbursts of anger, obsessiveness, not getting social cues.

    I really don't think that one was a troll.

    Who should we run out of here next?

    Many on the spectrum are quite accomplished, and successful...Probably shouldn't diagnose someones perceived intellectual, or, developmental disability from a series of posts. All of us can be a mixed bag of culls and BU's in some way, shape, or, form. I know you didn't mean any ill by your post- just a kind reminder.

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    ing.

    I'm shocked to learn this!

    Why shocked? As a new member, I didn't know to treat others with kid gloves. The fool had no clue, posted a lot of BS, added comments that added nothing to treads, and had many members completely snowed - folks like that are the "weeds" on the forums.

    OK, so seriously now, if it was one post or two fine, this gentleman had no even minimal forum etiquette to at least open his eyes, and see one person doesn't just post multiple new threads which is, and was annoying, and disruptive to almost all of us. That's besides being advised/guided multiple times by some, and said OP completely ignored each effort. (Besides stating WTF if I recall, and other 4 letter words that shrunk to 3 letters)

    I'd like to think we are a more focused bunch, and for those that say he's a newb - you know darn well the many that have come aboard , new, with questions and how many go out of there way to guide and assist them.
    We all know we are not overall a selfish bunch, and that was not the case here, so if he does come back, and you are reading this, first get help to understand WHAT went wrong, then you can understand why you were run off the grid.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PocketArt said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Who should we run out of here next?

    Many on the spectrum are quite accomplished, and successful...Probably shouldn't diagnose someones perceived intellectual, or, developmental disability from a series of posts. All of us can be a mixed bag of culls and BU's in some way, shape, or, form. I know you didn't mean any ill by your post- just a kind reminder.

    I think you are applying your own bias here. What did I say to suggest he was anything other than socially awkward? I never questioned his ability, but I do think he may be on the spectrum. The issue was not my thinking he was on the spectrum, a suspicion I never mentioned prior when I answered more of his posts than probably anyone else. But I do feel like the people who were continuously rude to him, flagged every post of his for abuse, and ultimately ran him off the site, should at least consider that they may have simply persecuted someone who couldn't help his behavior.

    Note: I teach at a college that I"m told is #1 in the country for per capita autism spectrum students. We very early on created support systems for those students and they have enrolled in large numbers over the years. I have multiple autism spectrum disorder students every year - one of whom just got the highest grade ever in my class.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is no doubt in my mind that he has some type of issue... He has been emailing me, and yes, sending me pictures of DDOs....I have replied, and tried to help... in his last email he insulted me for 'not seeing the obvious'...and he did post a picture from doubleddie.com... which, on close examination, showed that he did NOT have the DDO in his picture. He is upset about being bammed...but did not indicate he was coming back as an alt.. Cheers, RickO

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Failure is a powerful teacher. At least he can view the board as a non-member.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Type2 said:
    My new stash came in today.... I'm going to look for errors one day.

    You guy are going to need to put up with me for a long time...

    I hope the floor is reinforced or that stash will end up in the basement!

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 2:07PM

    My favorite memory will always be the interior photos with the Elvis head.

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    There's nothing wrong with being opinionated as long as you're open minded to being incorrect. I appreciate that in you @insider2, for what it's worth.

    As for the subject of this thread, I feel sorry for the kid and ashamed at how some people treated him, but given his behavior I suspect the forum is better off without him.

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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    If I were not for Doug. Mark Stephenson (who I learned is no longer at PCGS), and the latitude of the present CU moderators, I should have been banned and "long gone" a year ago. :(

    I agree with @Insider2 about the latitude of the CU moderators as I should have probably been banned for what I posted in one of pdlp's thread, but instead I am just restricted or "jailed" if you will for the next two weeks.

    I apologize to anyone that read what I posted and will do my best to not let it happen again.

    Donato

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 6:56PM

    Yes same here about what I posted, it was like telling him not to do this but he did it anyway.



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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:

    @Insider2 said:
    If I were not for Doug. Mark Stephenson (who I learned is no longer at PCGS), and the latitude of the present CU moderators, I should have been banned and "long gone" a year ago. :(

    I agree with @Insider2 about the latitude of the CU moderators as I should have probably been banned for what I posted in one of pdlp's thread, but instead I am just restricted or "jailed" if you will for the next two weeks.

    I apologize to anyone that read what I posted and will do my best to not let it happen again.

    Donato

    How can you be "jailed" and still post? I had to give up the forum COLD TURKEY and could only read posts. One of my favorites was " "Where is Insider" LOL.

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PocketArt said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Who should we run out of here next?

    Many on the spectrum are quite accomplished, and successful...Probably shouldn't diagnose someones perceived intellectual, or, developmental disability from a series of posts. All of us can be a mixed bag of culls and BU's in some way, shape, or, form. I know you didn't mean any ill by your post- just a kind reminder.

    I think you are applying your own bias here. What did I say to suggest he was anything other than socially awkward? I never questioned his ability, but I do think he may be on the spectrum. The issue was not my thinking he was on the spectrum, a suspicion I never mentioned prior when I answered more of his posts than probably anyone else. But I do feel like the people who were continuously rude to him, flagged every post of his for abuse, and ultimately ran him off the site, should at least consider that they may have simply persecuted someone who couldn't help his behavior.

    Note: I teach at a college that I"m told is #1 in the country for per capita autism spectrum students. We very early on created support systems for those students and they have enrolled in large numbers over the years. I have multiple autism spectrum disorder students every year - one of whom just got the highest grade ever in my class.

    Not as much a bias @jmlanzaf; more of an awareness. You had indicated, even though it was a "guess," that pdlf was on the spectrum, and further stated what you refer to as Hallmarks of those with autism/ on the spectrum: occasional outbursts of anger, obsessions, and not getting social cues.

    Since this is a public forum, and it's not just viewed by members here, but hundreds of other non-members who may not have knowledge about autism; I wanted to stress that many are accomplished, and successful. I do apologize if you felt insulted, and did not intend for this to be an attack on you personally. However; I felt it was necessary to put out some positive. Your follow up to this thought, more than accomplished what I had intended, so, thank you for posting your involvement, enthusiasm, and success. This is what the public at large needs to hear, and also be reinforced with more success stories because there is a lot of misunderstandings, fear, and also a reciprocal social awkwardness from people not on the spectrum.

    I do however still stand by my statement; probably shouldn't diagnose someones perceived intellectual, or, developmental disability from a series of posts. You don't know. How many mental disorders, and physical health issues share those same characteristics as you describe? Dependencies? Quite a few.

    I've worked with several individuals on the spectrum in all levels of direct care; from job-coaching, mentoring, community involvement, in home services, work shops, to name a few. I've lived and assisted with day/night care on many busy, and sleepless nights. I've also worked with numerous other individuals not on the spectrum with intellectual, developmental disabilities for the past 15 years. I have 1,000's of hours of experience, worked with top notch professionals in this field, have a whole lot of course work, seminars, and CEU's I have to take to remain certified. I've operated my own business providing services for the past 5 years.

    I'm not intending to create ill will, and I respect, and appreciate your efforts in what you do professionally. Aside from my concerns I addressed with you. The patience that you displayed with pdlf, and attempt to draw awareness to the negativity directed at him by other posters is admirable.

    Thanks for all you do. K- back to coins!

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 10:30PM

    Uhh...I better BEEHIVE and as far as my far flung comments.....I'll try to be as good as a Church Mouse

    *updated to add a couple s's

    @Insider2
    @divecchia

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @divecchia said:

    @Insider2 said:
    If I were not for Doug. Mark Stephenson (who I learned is no longer at PCGS), and the latitude of the present CU moderators, I should have been banned and "long gone" a year ago. :(

    I agree with @Insider2 about the latitude of the CU moderators as I should have probably been banned for what I posted in one of pdlp's thread, but instead I am just restricted or "jailed" if you will for the next two weeks.

    I apologize to anyone that read what I posted and will do my best to not let it happen again.

    Donato

    How can you be "jailed" and still post? I had to give up the forum COLD TURKEY and could only read posts. One of my favorites was " "Where is Insider" LOL.

    @Insider2 I'm not sure, it was not explained to me. I just can't start a discussion, but I can post in a limited capacity.

    Donato

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  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @divecchia said:

    @Insider2 said:
    If I were not for Doug. Mark Stephenson (who I learned is no longer at PCGS), and the latitude of the present CU moderators, I should have been banned and "long gone" a year ago. :(

    I agree with @Insider2 about the latitude of the CU moderators as I should have probably been banned for what I posted in one of pdlp's thread, but instead I am just restricted or "jailed" if you will for the next two weeks.

    I apologize to anyone that read what I posted and will do my best to not let it happen again.

    Donato

    How can you be "jailed" and still post? I had to give up the forum COLD TURKEY and could only read posts. One of my favorites was " "Where is Insider" LOL.

    @Insider2 I'm not sure, it was not explained to me. I just can't start a discussion, but I can post in a limited capacity.

    Donato

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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018 4:27PM

    @ECHOES said: The reason for the bars over your icon?

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:

    @ECHOES said: The reason for the bars over your icon?

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

    How many warning levels are there? I have never heard of this new system. Interesting.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:

    @ECHOES said: The reason for the bars over your icon?

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

    Do you add the bars or did PCGS? :D

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

    How many warning levels are there? I have never heard of this new system. Interesting.

    I feel this is a better alternative, rather than an out-right bamming, unless of course it is deserving...

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:
    PCGS added the bars.

    Cool!

  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @JBK said:
    True, but in the case of this particular poster, it will be immediately obvious.

    I was banned from a forum for pinning back the ears of a long time member who was posting BS. I tried to come back on but with a different name but each time they recognized the server for each of my computers as two different locations. I don't see why CU cannot do the same thing.

    I'm shocked to learn this!

    Why shocked? As a new member, I didn't know to treat others with kid gloves. The fool had no clue, posted a lot of BS, added comments that added nothing to treads, and had many members completely snowed - folks like that are the "weeds" on the forums.

    Doug from Coin Talk? The guy that argued that bag marks on Morgan Dollars were "shovel" or "scoop" marks? :D

    Dang, I remember this one, even Jefferson specialists were booted because they spoke up about high spots that did not strike up were already present on the planchet before even being struck. Shovel marks, ha!

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @divecchia said:

    @Insider2 said:
    If I were not for Doug. Mark Stephenson (who I learned is no longer at PCGS), and the latitude of the present CU moderators, I should have been banned and "long gone" a year ago. :(

    I agree with @Insider2 about the latitude of the CU moderators as I should have probably been banned for what I posted in one of pdlp's thread, but instead I am just restricted or "jailed" if you will for the next two weeks.

    I apologize to anyone that read what I posted and will do my best to not let it happen again.

    Donato

    How can you be "jailed" and still post? I had to give up the forum COLD TURKEY and could only read posts. One of my favorites was " "Where is Insider" LOL.

    Uh oh. Some one was sent to solitary confinement. Did you hit a guard or something? >:):D

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thx for posting the details of your incarceration. Very interesting how it works.

    We'll be waiting for you on the outside. :)

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We will send you a Monopoly game "Get Out of Jail Free" card. :)

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @divecchia said:

    @ECHOES said: The reason for the bars over your icon?

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

    That's cool! The mods here are very tolerant. Jail bars....LOL. The only one close was when a member used the "Banned" icon when he was not.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I too apologize for any comments I made that might have offended or made some feel uncomfortable. I might have thought I was interjecting some humor into the thread, I was wrong for doing so.
    My sincere apogees.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018 9:17PM

    PLUS me....sometime we got carried away and having too much fun especially with my loose lips ;) I also apologized to all :/

    @crazyhounddog said:
    I too apologize for any comments I made that might have offended or made some feel uncomfortable. I might have thought I was interjecting some humor into the thread, I was wrong for doing so.
    My sincere apogees.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018 9:22PM

    :#

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    main certified. I've operated my own business providing services for the past 5 years.

    I'm not intending to create ill will, and I respect, and appreciate your efforts in what you do professionally. Aside from my concerns I addressed with you. The patience that you displayed with pdlf, and attempt to draw awareness to the negativity directed at him by other posters is admirable.

    Thanks for all you do. K- back to coins!

    No, no, not at all. I didn't feel insulted. But I thought you were misinterpreting my meaning. I think we understand each other.

    I never "diagnosed" pdlp before, when he was posting. I really wasn't intending to "diagnose" him now. But I did want the people who insisted on chasing him out of here to at least consider that he couldn't help some aspects of his behavior.

    It's all good. Thanks for helping to clarify things.

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strange, its like missing your disease after its been cured. Its giving me a love buzz. :(

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018 2:04AM

    I'll put $20 on your books for top roman or cigarettes.



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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ECHOES said:

    Below is the reason for the bars over my icon. This is the info that is shown in my profile.

    Warning Level 3 · expires July 27, 2018 7:51PM

    You are jailed. •Can't post discussions.
    •Can't post as often.
    •Signature hidden.

    Donato

    How many warning levels are there? I have never heard of this new system. Interesting.

    I feel this is a better alternative, rather than an out-right bamming, unless of course it is deserving...

    Reminds me of that simple phrase the German officer says to Steve McQueen in the 'Great Escape'...."coolah"

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Today they seem to be back

    Best place to buy !
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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    Today they seem to be back

    Should I have this graded? It looks rare! ;)

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is THIS the grade I think it is?

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I might be
    Old
    Coin
    Dude

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:
    Is THIS the grade I think it is?

    >
    Who cares about the grade? That coin was struck upside down! Major error!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @1Mike1 said:
    Is THIS the grade I think it is?

    >
    Who cares about the grade? That coin was struck upside down! Major error!

    Rotated obverse die. :o

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    be careful with the back ground or table.....it may gives away on your next ALT ;)

    @1Mike1 said:

    @Kkathyl said:
    Today they seem to be back

    Should I have this graded? It looks rare! ;)

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was copied on John Wexler's reply to our dearly departed member.... He told him there was no doubled dies on ANY of the photo's he sent him. Cheers, RickO

  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:

    @Kkathyl said:
    Today they seem to be back

    Should I have this graded? It looks rare! ;)

    Nice Coin . . .

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    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I was copied on John Wexler's reply to our dearly departed member.... He told him there was no doubled dies on ANY of the photo's he sent him. Cheers, RickO

    I'm surprised our former/present member would take it to that level. I have had people at work show me coins that are not worth anything but face value but because they have saved them for 30 plus years they think the coins have special value.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:
    Is THIS the grade I think it is?

    That's a rare inverted cent. Struck at 180 degree rotation on BOTH sides. That hardly ever happens and is VERY difficult to detect. Good job!

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "100" Who is this other guy, His name is hank not Charlie.



    Hoard the keys.
  • IcollecteverythingIcollecteverything Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭

    I think some of them are trolling for some sicko reason but the sad part is we may lose some serious beginners due to the silliness.
    Maybe we need a separate beginners section?

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