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bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭
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lot 597577 ....GC has a 1934d Peace PCGS 66+ CAC.. bid now is $23,500... only 1 PCGS in 67 .. last 66 sold for $5,800...... Strange bidders think they see more than did CAC or PCGS

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  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 11:49AM

    Great looking coin, it's to bad about the slight lower rev tarnish/toning/marks.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going to sit in someone's bank box for a very long time....

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that a gold CAC?

  • msch1manmsch1man Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭

    PCGS "guide" is 3900 in 66, but jumps to 26,500 in 66+ (and 75,000 in 67!).

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @msch1man said:
    PCGS "guide" is 3900 in 66, but jumps to 26,500 in 66+ (and 75,000 in 67!).

    Bologna. People cannot consistently make such fine distinctions, particularly when the see 1 or 2 in this condition per year.

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 1:49PM

    Here's the coin: https://greatcollections.com/Coin/597577/1934-D-Peace-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-66-CAC

    Question: Can one safely presume there are human bidders on this auction?

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MikeInFL said:
    Here's the coin: https://greatcollections.com/Coin/597577/1934-D-Peace-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-66-CAC

    Question: Can one safely presume there are human bidders on this auction?

    I would guess in order to register at GC you would need to be human.

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 2:06PM

    I would guess so too, but that's not quite what I was talking about.

    Is there some sort automated bidding at GC, or is the current bid the result of two people actually bidding, or ???

    Sorry for the tangent, but I couldn't help asking given "strange bidders" comments by the OP.

    Thanks...Mike

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • 10000lakes10000lakes Posts: 811 ✭✭✭✭

    GC is probably the most transparent in providing number of bids, bidders and what level than any of the auction firms.
    Especially compared to some firms that are listing their own coins in their auctions, listed them as sold and then only for them to reappear later in another auction.

    Here is the current bidder history for the 34-D Peace dollar.

    Bid History
    Bid incrementsBids: 79, Time left: 3h, 38m, 8s
    Bidder Bid amount Bid placed
    bidder 15 $23,500.00 Sat, Jul 14, 2018 12:19:15 AM
    bidder 14 $23,000.00 Sun, Jul 15, 2018 09:54:22 AM
    bidder 15 $22,045.00 Sat, Jul 14, 2018 12:19:15 AM
    bidder 13 $21,545.00 Sat, Jul 14, 2018 12:47:57 PM
    bidder 15 $20,525.00 Sat, Jul 14, 2018 12:19:15 AM
    bidder 13 $20,025.00 Fri, Jul 13, 2018 10:44:06 PM
    bidder 15 $20,000.00 Fri, Jul 13, 2018 09:00:11 AM
    bidder 15 $19,101.00 Fri, Jul 13, 2018 09:00:11 AM
    bidder 12 $18,601.00 Fri, Jul 13, 2018 10:03:44 AM
    bidder 15 $18,101.00 Fri, Jul 13, 2018 09:00:11 AM
    bidder 11 $17,601.00 Thu, Jul 12, 2018 09:56:54 PM
    bidder 10 $17,101.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 05:16:13 PM
    bidder 9 $17,005.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 03:44:01 PM
    bidder 9 $16,601.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 03:44:01 PM
    bidder 11 $16,101.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 10:23:33 AM
    bidder 8 $16,009.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 06:42:36 AM
    bidder 8 $15,601.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 06:42:36 AM
    bidder 11 $15,101.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 10:23:20 AM
    bidder 8 $14,601.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 06:42:36 AM
    bidder 11 $14,101.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 10:22:05 AM
    bidder 8 $13,601.00 Wed, Jul 11, 2018 06:42:36 AM
    bidder 10 $13,101.00 Tue, Jul 10, 2018 06:30:31 PM
    bidder 11 $12,601.00 Tue, Jul 10, 2018 05:21:55 PM
    bidder 13 $12,500.00 Sun, Jul 08, 2018 09:41:29 AM
    bidder 13 $12,101.00 Sun, Jul 08, 2018 09:41:29 AM
    bidder 8 $11,601.00 Wed, Jul 04, 2018 05:08:09 AM
    bidder 8 $9,850.00 Wed, Jul 04, 2018 05:08:09 AM
    bidder 7 $9,600.00 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 8 $9,501.10 Wed, Jul 04, 2018 05:07:50 AM
    bidder 7 $6,751.00 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 8 $6,501.00 Wed, Jul 04, 2018 05:07:29 AM
    bidder 7 $4,370.01 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 6 $4,270.01 Mon, Jul 02, 2018 05:01:59 PM
    bidder 7 $4,170.01 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 6 $4,070.01 Mon, Jul 02, 2018 05:01:26 PM
    bidder 7 $3,970.01 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 6 $3,870.01 Mon, Jul 02, 2018 05:00:27 PM
    bidder 7 $3,770.01 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 6 $3,670.01 Mon, Jul 02, 2018 05:00:00 PM
    bidder 7 $3,570.01 Fri, Jun 29, 2018 09:16:05 AM
    bidder 5 $3,470.01 Wed, Jun 27, 2018 04:50:31 PM
    bidder 5 $3,100.00 Wed, Jun 27, 2018 04:49:03 PM
    bidder 13 $3,000.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 13 $2,856.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 10 $2,756.00 Wed, Jun 27, 2018 02:35:29 PM
    bidder 13 $2,655.55 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 10 $2,555.55 Mon, Jun 25, 2018 02:25:51 AM
    bidder 13 $2,450.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 4 $2,400.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 08:19:31 PM
    bidder 13 $2,350.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 4 $2,300.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 08:19:01 PM
    bidder 13 $2,250.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 4 $2,200.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 08:18:21 PM
    bidder 13 $2,150.00 Sat, Jun 23, 2018 05:56:59 PM
    bidder 4 $2,100.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 03:11:50 PM
    bidder 4 $1,100.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 03:11:50 PM
    bidder 6 $1,050.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:52:19 PM
    bidder 4 $1,000.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $1,000.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:51:59 PM
    bidder 4 $975.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $950.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:51:29 PM
    bidder 4 $925.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $900.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:51:07 PM
    bidder 4 $875.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $850.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:50:51 PM
    bidder 4 $825.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $800.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:50:33 PM
    bidder 4 $775.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $750.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:50:14 PM
    bidder 4 $725.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $700.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:49:57 PM
    bidder 4 $675.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 6 $650.00 Thu, Jun 21, 2018 02:49:28 PM
    bidder 4 $625.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 3 $600.00 Wed, Jun 20, 2018 06:17:20 AM
    bidder 4 $385.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 2 $375.00 Tue, Jun 19, 2018 03:59:15 PM
    bidder 4 $2.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 10:44:52 PM
    bidder 1 $1.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 12:16:02 PM
    Starting bid
    $1.00 Mon, Jun 18, 2018 08:52:50 AM

    • Bids which are highlighted in yellow were a result of a secret maximum bid. To find out more about placing secret maximum bids, please click here.
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder what the lone 67 looks like ...

  • shinywhiteshinywhite Posts: 346 ✭✭✭

    Hey guys, what is the actual definitive purpose of a "CAC". I mean, the coin is already graded and that's it, right?

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    providing numbers of bidders is meaningless. What if John doe had 3 bidder numbers? What if 2 more were his buddies? is there a house number? please.....only if you show names (which is unpractical) is it really transparent and NO auction co will ever do that.

    I stopped because I have a few dealers who like to bid on every lot and people kept thinking it was me. I only bid at the very end of a sale if something is too cheap I want to buy. If my sales were any one elses auctions, I'd be the biggest buyer!

    My bet the 34D has real bidders as I know of several people who went crazy in my Crow River Peace Dollar sale

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 4:43PM

    @RogerB said:

    @msch1man said:
    PCGS "guide" is 3900 in 66, but jumps to 26,500 in 66+ (and 75,000 in 67!).

    Bologna. People cannot consistently make such fine distinctions, particularly when the see 1 or 2 in this condition per year.

    Sorry, @RogerB, but your inability to grade at that fine a point does not mean others cannot. :s:#

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CAC is confirmation that the coin has been reviewed and is middle to high for the grade assigned on the slab.

    That MS 67+ is well struck, I'll tell you that. I'm not a fan with the neck and chin abrasions however.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • shinywhiteshinywhite Posts: 346 ✭✭✭

    @DollarAfterDollar said:
    CAC is confirmation that the coin has been reviewed and is middle to high for the grade assigned on the slab.

    That MS 67+ is well struck, I'll tell you that. I'm not a fan with the neck and chin abrasions however.

    Thanks. I just did some research. I'll be doing further research instead of bothering you guys with these questions. It's just so famn deep in this numismatics world of coins.....overwhelming at times tbh

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    Auction ended... $27,675 with the juice

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 8:19PM

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @RogerB said:

    @msch1man said:
    PCGS "guide" is 3900 in 66, but jumps to 26,500 in 66+ (and 75,000 in 67!).

    Bologna. People cannot consistently make such fine distinctions, particularly when the see 1 or 2 in this condition per year.

    Sorry, @RogerB, but your inability to grade at that fine a point does not mean others cannot. :s:#

    The Colonel (fried chicken?) is certainly far wiser and knowledgeable tha thousands of manufacturing companies, product and part inspection systems, and quality control engineers. We must, therefore accept his Divine judgement.
    ;)

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow not for me will never upgrade, Maybe at NGC but not PCGS.



    Hoard the keys.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 8:50PM

    66+'s seem to trade in the 20K plus range. I'm guessing it having a sticker didn't hurt. I'm not sure anyone buying that was counting on an upgrade. I hope not. Looks fine where it is.

    mark

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2018 7:14AM

    @RogerB said:

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @RogerB said:

    @msch1man said:
    PCGS "guide" is 3900 in 66, but jumps to 26,500 in 66+ (and 75,000 in 67!).

    Bologna. People cannot consistently make such fine distinctions, particularly when the see 1 or 2 in this condition per year.

    Sorry, @RogerB, but your inability to grade at that fine a point does not mean others cannot. :s:#

    The Colonel (fried chicken?) is certainly far wiser and knowledgeable tha thousands of manufacturing companies, product and part inspection systems, and quality control engineers. We must, therefore accept his Divine judgement.

    >

    30 years of TPG grading doesn't make me G-d, but your little slice of Heaven has too much dependence on what you consider the simplistic truth and little to do with current grading realities. It is altogether fitting and appropriate that your superb scholarship be recognized, but the ivory-tower academic should be aware that his grading skill set is theoretical, not practical.

    Get used to the idea that the best of us are multi-talented idiot-savants. I have expert authority in grading. That means I'm right more often than I'm wrong and/or right enough often enough to work in the grading environment,

    No _ex cathedra _ from me. No "Divine judg(e)ment". The British spelling is wrong not preferred. By me and most who learned to spell in this country. And yet I spell "luster" as "lustre" but not "theater" as "theatre". Silly humans ;) Some nuance is useful. Look in your mirror and check out how much you need to be a god of some sort. and how much it hurts to find out you're not. Then check out your feet of clay like the rest of us. Grading is an art, not a science, though industrial-quality lasers and AI seem a very strong possibility for grading the 69/70 line for moderns,

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... Again, a coin that will likely be spending a long time in an SDB....while candles are burned and sacrifices made, hoping for gradeflation. Cheers, RickO

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Darn nice coin. Try and find a better one.

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