A rare 'O' Mint $20 on ebay from France
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Why do rare coins like this end up being sold in foreign countries like France? No paypal so what is the recourse for buyers if there is fraud?
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It's being sold in France because it was probably
submitted by the owner in Paris.
There is, and especially used to be, some incredible
rare US gold in France and Switzerland, back in the
'70's and '80's.
When I worked for Numismatics, Ltd., I actually
bought (along with Harry Gordon, the owner) three
( 3) 1870-CC $20's from a local coin shop in Paris.
Paid $7,500 each for two of them, and $8,500 for
the nicer one.
Looks like they take PayPal?
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That seller has been questionable before. They have been known to photoshop pictures. I sent a message once asking for a closer picture, and was blocked. Good feedback though, so who knows. Use caution.
Also looks like the guy may be away on vacation:
"Payment only by transfer, I do not take paypal anymore, sell seriously with 1046 100% positive Feedbacks, Very good seller, serious, shipments and neat packaging, fast shipments, other very rare coins available on request, good buy at all.
https://www.pcgseurope.com/Cert/11500001
Attention I would be on vacation from July 7 to 14 and from July 21 to August 7, 2018, I could not necessarily answer the questions asked."
Will there be a big import tariff?
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It looks like it is in the same holder when it sold at auction about a decade ago: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/11500001 Maybe ask for the coin with a current newspaper in the background?
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I bought an 1875CC $20 from Europe about two years ago for about 2100 USD that graded out at 55, so deals can be made.
Well, just Love coins, period.
I think the bidding is high because of the serial number.
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IIRC, a lot of U.S. gold coins migrated to Europe after 1933 -- when it became illegal for U.S. citizens to own gold.
And even today, I bet there's still a lot of pre-1933 U.S. gold in Europe.
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Wonder where the photos came from
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When I was in France, I was a Sailor in the U.S. Navy...I was not looking for gold coins at that time... though they would have been far cheaper than now...
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This guy was named Sehiah Or something similar just a couple months ago. I have serious doubts That he actually owns this item.
did you look at recent completed sales? or are you saying they are selling on consignment?
Looking at some of his past auctions and the prices realized he would be taking a pretty good financial beating.
Selling 45K coins for 11-13K and 65K coin for 14K. Must make it up in volume.
Here's another fake $20.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1861-Gold-Coin-20-Dollars/123237180936?_trkparms=aid=888007&algo=DISC.MBE&ao=1&asc=44039&meid=d9c97bb8a7694709a832bf4bbf7cfbb6&pid=100009&rk=1&rkt=2&sd=183312571371&itm=123237180936&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982r
There would be no rhyme or reason for someone to be essentially giving all those high end rarities away: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=06840&_sargn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=&LH_SpecificSeller=1&_saslop=1&_sasl=+collectionneur6774+&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&LH_Complete=1&_fosrp=1
I have not seen feeback from the buyers, which is strange because usually people get vocal if they have their hearts set on something like that.
No I think they are likely scamming.
I asked him why they don't take paypal and got this response, excuse the French:
collectionneur6774 is out of the office until 07/29/2018 and may not be able to respond to your message.
Message from collectionneur6774:
en vacance du 7 juillet 2018 au 29 juillet 2018, je répondrais à mon retour, cordialement.
in vacancy from July 7, 2018 to July 29, 2018, I will answer my return, best regards.
Watching the Tour de France?
What recourse would a buyer have if they wired money to the guy and didn't get the coin?
Last time he offered some big US coins, I asked to look at the coins in person. Never got a response.
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If it's too good to be true, then it probably is...
I got scammed once by a U.S. seller with a hacked eBay account... Never received the coin.
Coins would probably have been cheaper than whatever it was you were looking at in France!!
bob
PS: Did the same in Germany.....never looked for a coin but sure met a lot of fraulines.
My higher priced sales do not leave feedback near as often as my inexpensive stuff.
I would think if scammed or delivery of something else, a negative would have been left (unless shill bidding), before asking eBay for refund.
Looks like it is gone.
I know I had bid on a rare expensive coin in the past, and after I asked for a few more pictures he deleted my bid and blocked me. Seems like he probably shills most of the time, so gets feedback from that. He might be waiting until he can reel in a really big fish before he pulls the scam.
Or he could have used all the low priced stuff to build confidence with the higher priced stuff; plus there is no way to know if those are legit sales, if the 1861-0 $20 was a false sale, there would be no proof unless a major dealer you know bought it.
"Hi--I haven't seen any feedback on $1000 plus items; you have sold some $10000 plus coins but I see no feedback. If someone were to buy that coin over $10000 or $20000 what assurance do they have? Paypal gives coverage.
collectionneur6774:
"look at my feedbacks seller serious payment like all other bidders by bank transfer cordially"
Maybe he's a soccer fan.
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Ebay sent me this email on the seller:
Our records show that you recently contacted or received messages from seheiah through eBay's messaging system. This account was recently found to have been accessed by an unauthorized third party, who may have used the account in an attempt to defraud other members.
We've taken action to restore this account to the original owner, but wanted to let you know to be suspicious of any communication you may have received from them. Nothing is wrong with your account at this time – this message is just being sent as a precaution. If you have received any messages from that appears suspicious, please feel free to forward them to us at spoof@ebay.com for review.
It seems that the con has been going on longer with that account than just "recently".