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Does it bother you at all if a dealer is "working for someone?"

topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

Would you think the best stuff would already have been offered to "waiting hands?"

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Does it bother you at all if a dealer is "working for someone?"

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If all the decent coins go somewhere else and all that he has available to the public is the mediocre rejects, then I won't be buying from him and I'll eventually stop wasting my time visiting his web site.

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    AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only if he's working for the IRS undercover unit..

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To be realistic and of any use, I should probably have stated a price level that would make it meaningful.
    Ah well.

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    AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Either high or low I don't care who works for who if I get a good price or a nice upgrade or something I want.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 36,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, but I know that when I was dealer, I took care of my best customers first. That is only natural. The people who give you the most business are the customers you cultivate.

    Sometimes the best coins a dealer gets are out of your price range anyway, so it really doesn’t matter.

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In some old John Wayne movie, a fresh kid punches John Wayne (who plays a large Cattle rancher living around the turn-of-the-century). The kid says 'I hit you cause I HAVE to work for you, and I hate being in that position'. John Wayne's character laughs back hard and says 'Hell son, everybody works for somebody else! Me, I work for everybody in New York City who buys a piece of beef! Everybody works for somebody!'.

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2018 9:51AM

    If that's the case eBay better come clean!

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2018 10:58AM

    @BillJones said:
    No, but I know that when I was dealer, I took care of my best customers first. That is only natural. The people who give you the most business are the customers you cultivate.

    Sometimes the best coins a dealer gets are out of your price range anyway, so it really doesn’t matter.

    I tried that. Too many weren't ready when the coins were.
    What I ended up "cultivating" was the reality that they just better keep checking.
    Coors, this was a SMALL shop.

    But we got some neat crap.
    Stockton, CA was amazingly fruitful for crazy cool historic items.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure I understood the question but the responses were in line with what I was thinking.

    A dealer might have a want list, or regular customers, etc. If you are on the right side of that scenario, you are very happy. If you are one of the anonymous "others" then you might not be happy about it, but it is reality.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The poll was poorly constructed.
    My "idea" was to ask the folks who buy pricey stuff if they cared if the coins were "shopped" prior to listing.
    Not necessarily on eBay.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No...

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree. So what if the good stuff is saved for special customers? I say it's a good thing.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    In some old John Wayne movie, a fresh kid punches John Wayne (who plays a large Cattle rancher living around the turn-of-the-century). The kid says 'I hit you cause I HAVE to work for you, and I hate being in that position'. John Wayne's character laughs back hard and says 'Hell son, everybody works for somebody else! Me, I work for everybody in New York City who buys a piece of beef! Everybody works for somebody!'.

    That would be the movie "Mcclintoc"(sp).

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN Thanks for the reminder.

    I can keep The Quiet Man, North to Alaska, True Grit and The Shootist straight in my mind, some of the other stuff kinda runs together. This is a reflection of the declining state of my mind and not the outstanding film oeuvre of "The Duke".

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    @DIMEMAN Thanks for the reminder.

    I can keep The Quiet Man, North to Alaska, True Grit and The Shootist straight in my mind, some of the other stuff kinda runs together. This is a reflection of the declining state of my mind and not the outstanding film oeuvre of "The Duke".

    Don't feel bad. The Duke had a lot of great movies. You left out 2 of my favorites......The Searchers and Hondo. Not to mention Chisom and Big Jake. And we haven't even touched his War movies or the Alamo.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it would be refreshing to have dealers helping their clients fill their wants.

    But of course, if another collector, in my specialty, was getting the first preference instead of me I wouldn’t like it.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most dealers I know are working for the love of money, not for a person.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2018 8:19PM

    I once told a dealer I knew was representing a customer who just asked a price on a coin at my table to get lost after he told me my retail price was too high which was an outright lie as he was trying rip my coin at bid to make a few bucks off my inventory.

    First of all I don’t care for people who can’t make their own buying decisions. When a dealer gets involved trashing me I don’t mind telling him where to go regardless of who it is.

    On the other hand I had dealers ask a price on one of my coins, make a phone call (to customer) then bought it. That’s ok. Just don’t try rob me of my profit!

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    I once told a dealer I knew was representing a customer who just asked a price on a coin at my table to get lost after he told me my retail price was too high which was an outright lie as he was trying rip my coin at bid to make a few bucks off my inventory.

    MAYBE HE REALLY THOUGHT THE PRICE WAS TOO HIGH AND WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RECONSIDER AND MAYBE MAKE A SALE? IF SO, HOW CAN YOU FAULT HIM FOR THAT?

    First of all I don’t care for people who can’t make their own buying decisions.

    AS A DEALER, I WOULD PREFER THAT A POTENTIAL BUYER DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO BUY MY COIN. IF THAT MEANS GETTING A SECOND OPINION, SO BE IT.

    When a dealer gets involved trashing me I don’t mind telling him where to go regardless of who it is.

    I FEEL THE SAME WAY. ON THE OTHER HAND, SOME DEALERS DO DESERVE TO GET TRASHED SOMETIMES.

    On the other hand I had dealers ask a price on one of my coins, make a phone call (to customer) then bought it. That’s ok. Just don’t try rob me of my profit!

    NOBODY WHO WRITES YOU A GOOD CHECK EVER "ROBS YOU OF YOUR PROFIT".

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Gotta Serve Somebody" song by Bob Dylan. Somewhat apropos here.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "No" I just say can I see it then "plant the seed" that is give him a big offer so even if I don't get the deal he knows I can play as well and how much he will lose if he sells to a dealer. It works most of the time and what ever grows over time always helps.



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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The dealer should have a larger network of potential coins than I would.

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    giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 9:44AM

    The vote is No. I have regular customers whose likes and dislikes I always keep in mind, and they trust me to make buying decisions for them (but when I find the right coin, I always call first; this is not only personal service but remembering that anyone's personal circumstances can change, no matter their wealth/income level; maybe they just bought that very issue, or maybe they had a death in the family and don't want to hear about coins right now).

    Doveryai no proveryai / доверяй но проверяй / Trust But Verify.

    Everybody is trying to make the biggest buck and no one (with very few exceptions) actually cares if the dealer makes a profit. Except me, the dealer. I get regular emails proving that to me.

    Kind regards,

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 5:30AM

    @giorgio11 said:
    ... no one (with very few exceptions) actually cares if the dealer makes a profit. Except me, the dealer.

    I find that there are far more than a few exceptions. The dealers and collectors who regularly buy from me want me to make money and only counteroffer when they feel its necessary. Not because they're generous, but because they want to keep the coins coming. And I do the same thing with almost everyone who sells me coins - not just the regulars - for the same reason. I wouldn't call this approach anything like SOP in the business, but it's not uncommon at all.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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