Dicuss......Trade Dollar.......real or no?
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i like the overall look and die cracks but that weakness in the stalks between/behind liberty and trust area and what looks like bubling/pitting left of lib and trust makes me put the brakes on.
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I don't like the looks of the denticles at 5:00 O'clock on that obverse. They are real weak and look castish to me. I vote no real. The rims look bubbly too in spots.
Absofriggenlutely. If it had been a BIN, I would have hit it already
I would have to see the other side, and especially the edge. The denticles as mentioned at 5:00 look concerning, but there may be a planchet issue that could be verified by seeing the reverse and edge.
Real. Unless counterfeiters are using reverse psychology with the spots. Looks real, but other than type sets, I don't have a lot of exposure to Trade Dollars.
this was my concern:
I've never seen these issues on a real US Mint made. Looks struck not cast but I can't explain to myself what's going on.
Certainly looks genuine to me. Pretty chatty but great looking otherwise. The reverse:
already posted.
I vote real. But I can't explain those anomalies, other than maybe grease or gunk in the stalks and denticles - but the "bubbles", I don't know, maybe damaged die???
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Real. Some of those 74-CCs were poorly made. The heavy die cracks and weak strikes went hand in hand. The dress defects are just reciprocal damage from the reverse chop. That’s a nice Chopmarked trade.
I knew it! Late to the party...I've never seen that obverse (lumps) before so I was betting the reverse was chopped. I figured that's why you did not post it at first. This would have been a terrific discussion if you had let everyone guess what was going on with the coin's obverse until tomorrow.
I only have this to add. See the horizontal line from the stalk above "NS" and the line in the field next to the "9?" These "markers" are seen to be transferred to one of the counterfeit dies. I'm not near my files but as I recall, while the markers are present on the fake die breaks present on this reverse are not.
I asked the seller for a BIN, but no cigar. Hence, I am currently the highest bidder.
MS61 chop mark
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Looks authentic... with some chop mark effect (reverse chop, smoothing obverse detail)... I do not like the black crap on the obverse though.... When I see that (and I do like TD's) I just move on... Cheers, RickO
A lot of times that black crap is just as historically important as the chop marks. Trade dollars were supposedly smuggled out of communist China in the bowels of Junks covered in tar
When i first read your post and saw the word 'bowels' I was expecting something else.
If the spots were tar, historical significance aside for a moment, would they come off with mineral spirits or acetone?
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Probably not tar. Look at the black corrosion holes in the rim. Auto store sell tar remover. I wouldn't buy something like this hoping to get all the black off. Surface probably etched under them. So, depends on the price of the coin.
Real. Mutilated.
My first instinct tells me it's real...but I am far from being an expert on trade dollars.
Known die pair of the 74cc, over polishing/working of hub
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I am going with no
Best place to buy !
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Are you planning to get it slabbed? If so, please let us know how it does.
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It's on ebay with 6 days to go. It's real and I've, along with the above help, have decided to pass on bidding due to the risk of the black areas.
There is one with the exact same weakness up on PCGS CoinFacts (the MS65 example) here: http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/7035
I learn something about coins that I've not known before almost every day. I won't live long enough to know enough to be an expert in anything coin related.
bob
I am in the counterfiet camp.
Care to post your reason? Did you read the thread? Two of the top Trade dollar collectors believe the coin is genuine.
The coin has too many issues: soft strike on denticles, the carpet area above the foot is lacking detail at the top. I could not find another genuine 74 CC with a big toe, lacking top carpet detail with the die crack on the reverse. Was the chop mark created to explain the missing dress details and what looks like cast bumps? Not a coin that I would be interested in buying.
Thanks for your reply.
I wish there were more members around here who would state an opinion and then defend it. I'll only leave you with this: A soft strike on the denticals is no indication that a coin such as this (not a crude Chinese replica) is not 100% genuine.
$800+ price realized
on all the CC I have seen it should have a wide Gap between the letters.
Best place to buy !
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Hope the winner is pleased. Not I.
bob
It is a 1200-1600 coin in PCGS plastic at the 58-61 range. It should make that based off of what I see.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
50% no plastic discount
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I figured it was a $900 as is, no plastic.
Sold for what it should.
Maybe $1,200 in PGCS plastic.....some profit for buyer if it grades out.
bob
There are close CC's, wide CC's, and very wide CC's on Trade dollars. I apologize as I'm to lazy to check this date. The experts here keep that info in their heads.
Well, while acknowledging the superiority of knowledge of the more esteemed experts on the forum, I'm afraid I'll have to admit my shortcomings as a numismatist and say that that coin is one I would never pull out of my box to flaunt and/or admire for its beauty and pride of ownership.
So ban me now as the dolt of the forum.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/1874-CC-Trade-Dollar-Chopmarks-90-Silver-Carson-City/332691699593?hash=item4d75f87789:g:3goAAOSwMKNbFwlj
Shill bidder? Looks like it was relisted by the same seller.
Hmmm, maybe a return?
bob
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