Lots of amazing commems there. And the original holders are great.
A few are funky.
Specialists in this series learn which colors are typically seen on which coins. Colors often seen on one type of commem can be very suspect on a different commem. Columbian's tone differently than Gettysburg's. It's just about "sulfur" once you know this series. Holder types, finishes, textured fields, final geographic destination, and virgin vs. re-melted silver are all factors that cause each commem type to tone with a generally predictable look.
Great find. Pull out the chemistry experiments and send the rest in. The dark blue/purple/gold pieces will come back QT (Questionable Toning) - they never say Artificial. Definite STARs in this lot.
Thanks for all the opinions. This is a rare occurrence for me being able to buy such a group and I've never seen one quite like this before.
I do not know much about the chain of custody, but I can say that all of the original mailing envelopes are addressed to the same person. So it is doubtful that someone somehow assembled this accumulation after the fact.
There are 6 or 7 coins that are far out of the norm and I expect those would be declared "Questionable Toning" (QT) by a major grading service. The other 57 or 58 would grade fairly well, in my opinion. My intent with these coins is to keep them. As some have lamented on this forum lately, the prices on classic commemoratives are down a fair amount from where they once were. That, combined with the fact that I like these, is why I'm going to hang on to them. Since I have no intent to sell at this time, I might just keep them in flips for now and not send them in for grading, although I do think there are some fairly valuable coins in the group, such as this Gettysburg which compares favorably to one that sold at Heritage Auctions for $5,170: https://coins.ha.com/itm/commemorative-silver/classic-commemoratives/1936-50c-gettysburg-ms67-ngc-cac/a/1231-3363.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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As for the blue Oregon Trail in particular, even if it is "QT" or "AT" I still like it regardless. The toning is not hiding anything (there is no "rub", "friction" or marks hiding under it). I'm sure it could be dipped off, but I like it as-is. It makes me think of the hope diamond.
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@Wabbit2313 said:
If some of those are not artificially toned, I will be shocked. Please let us know if they make it into holders if that is your goal.
I have seen scammers use old packaging/albums to make it look legit, and fingers crossed that is not what happened here.
These days, the packaging costs more than the coins.
@dcarr said:
Thanks for all the opinions. This is a rare occurrence for me being able to guy such a group and I've never seen one quite like this before.
I do not know much about the chain of custody, but I can say that all of the original mailing envelopes are addressed to the same person. So it is doubtful that someone somehow assembled this accumulation after the fact.
There are 6 or 7 coins that are far out of the norm and I expect those would be declared "Questionable Toning" (QT) by a major grading service. The other 57 or 58 would grade fairly well, in my opinion. My intent with these coins is to keep them. As some have lamented on this forum lately, the prices on classic commemoratives are down a fair amount from where they once were. That, combined with the fact that I like these, is why I'm going to hang on to them. Since I have no intent to sell at this time, I might just keep them in flips for now and not send them in for grading, although I do think there are some fairly valuable coins in the group, such as this Gettysburg which compares favorably to one that sold at Heritage Auctions for $5,170: https://coins.ha.com/itm/commemorative-silver/classic-commemoratives/1936-50c-gettysburg-ms67-ngc-cac/a/1231-3363.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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As for the blue Oregon Trail in particular, even if it is "QT" or "AT" I still like it regardless. The toning is not hiding anything (there is no "rub", "friction" or marks hiding under it). I'm sure it could be dipped off, but I like it as-is. It makes me think of the hope diamond.
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Might be worth sending them to ANACS just to get them into some holders that could protect them and slow down any further oxidation. Very nice pieces, and I am very envious!
@drei3ree said:
If there's toning, I prefer it to be similar on both sides...most of yours are! Great coins.
Interesting, since that is generally the red flag. Coin normally do not tone exactly the same on both sides. Many of the coins above are toned the same, front and back. Only one way to find out...........send them in and see what the big boys think.
If even one of those crazy colored coins above were in an ICG holder, board members here would be screaming bloody murder and @Insider2 would be on the run.
What an incredible purchase! That box of original envelopes and holders is amazing! Doesn't even matter if some of these are AT, looks like a bunch of these will grade very high. Definitely some 67's in there...the Wisconsin, Cleveland, Norfolk, York and Iowa coins for sure and probably some others I forgot to list.
Dan, this is a very impressive assemblage of coins. While you are fortunate to have acquired them, much credit is due to the original purchases who saved the mailing envelopes. Their storage in those envelopes may well explain some of the unusual toning. This may be a great opportunity to study the chemical composition of those envelopes, especially the ones that contained the great toners.
Interestingly, I have one of your 1910 IHC PR coins that is in your original flip that is toning in a colorful way around the edges of the coin. It will be a fun coin to watch over the years.
Toning looks ARTIFICIAL on a good 90% of them. But since those are blatantly AT, I’m going to guess the cook just got lucky on the others. So they’re most likely all AT if from the same source.
Look at that first Lincoln, the first California and one of the Gettysburg and Oregon trails further down - what an absolute joke! A real shame too that someone decided they wanted to ruin so many nice coins.
Nice group.
I have seen Rhode Islands that look like that.
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P.S. I wouldn't submit the blue or purple coins on the same invoice as the others. Those look the most questionable color wise and might cause more suspicion on the others.
Since the first post in this thread is pretty long, here is the updated part in case people come here first:
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UPDATE:
It took four years, but I finally submitted these coins and got the grades back.
A few notes:
Most, but not all, of the coins pictured above were submitted.
A few additional coins (not shown above) were thrown into the mix.
The one coin designated "cleaned" (Bay Bridge) does not exhibit any hairlines.
I bet if I "dipped" it, it would grade (but I don't plan to do that).
The Rhode Island did not get the "PL" designation as it should have (in my opinion).
It is every bit as proof-like as others graded "PL".
As I expected the blue 1937-D Oregon received a "questionable color" designation.
But it is still my favorite one and I don't care what anyone else says or thinks
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Lots of amazing commems there. And the original holders are great.
A few are funky.
Specialists in this series learn which colors are typically seen on which coins. Colors often seen on one type of commem can be very suspect on a different commem. Columbian's tone differently than Gettysburg's. It's just about "sulfur" once you know this series. Holder types, finishes, textured fields, final geographic destination, and virgin vs. re-melted silver are all factors that cause each commem type to tone with a generally predictable look.
great coins, congrats, maybe some are artificially induced natural toning??
Great find. Pull out the chemistry experiments and send the rest in. The dark blue/purple/gold pieces will come back QT (Questionable Toning) - they never say Artificial. Definite STARs in this lot.
I don't know, Dan. You'll have to send them to me for a closer look.
Cheers
Bob
Thanks for all the opinions. This is a rare occurrence for me being able to buy such a group and I've never seen one quite like this before.
I do not know much about the chain of custody, but I can say that all of the original mailing envelopes are addressed to the same person. So it is doubtful that someone somehow assembled this accumulation after the fact.
There are 6 or 7 coins that are far out of the norm and I expect those would be declared "Questionable Toning" (QT) by a major grading service. The other 57 or 58 would grade fairly well, in my opinion. My intent with these coins is to keep them. As some have lamented on this forum lately, the prices on classic commemoratives are down a fair amount from where they once were. That, combined with the fact that I like these, is why I'm going to hang on to them. Since I have no intent to sell at this time, I might just keep them in flips for now and not send them in for grading, although I do think there are some fairly valuable coins in the group, such as this Gettysburg which compares favorably to one that sold at Heritage Auctions for $5,170: https://coins.ha.com/itm/commemorative-silver/classic-commemoratives/1936-50c-gettysburg-ms67-ngc-cac/a/1231-3363.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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As for the blue Oregon Trail in particular, even if it is "QT" or "AT" I still like it regardless. The toning is not hiding anything (there is no "rub", "friction" or marks hiding under it). I'm sure it could be dipped off, but I like it as-is. It makes me think of the hope diamond.
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Holy crap
I might as well just throw mine away!
Very nice, But there is a couple A.T. That been said there is more none A.T. that are Very very nice.
Hoard the keys.
Congratulations and depending on how they grade out.........even if a few are questionable,
you Dan have hit the proverbial jackpot
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
I like them, nice find
These days, the packaging costs more than the coins.
Hey Dan let me be the first to say “ You Suck” (award) !!!
Let me know which dumpster....
Outstanding, congratulations! I, too, like the Gettysburg and Antietam coins. Bob
That's a great group of commems.
Might be worth sending them to ANACS just to get them into some holders that could protect them and slow down any further oxidation. Very nice pieces, and I am very envious!
Would liked to have seen a Hawaii 1928 in there, but apparently this collector didn't start his mint ordering until the late 1930s.
I kinda sorta hate you.
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You hit a Home Run!!
Some have toning I've never seen on early commems.
If there's toning, I prefer it to be similar on both sides...most of yours are! Great coins.
Okay, I'll say it, you suck!
Beautiful coins super Pickup.
Interesting, since that is generally the red flag. Coin normally do not tone exactly the same on both sides. Many of the coins above are toned the same, front and back. Only one way to find out...........send them in and see what the big boys think.
If even one of those crazy colored coins above were in an ICG holder, board members here would be screaming bloody murder and @Insider2 would be on the run.
Will you send them to PCGS?
Nice but only about 1/4 to 1/3 of the toned example would straight grade as most should details grade as questionable color.
The holders are the coolest part for me!
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I do I do. Have some of those been MS70'ed
Best place to buy !
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Awesome! Sorry I missed this thread the first time!
I'll take the Norfolks and the Clevelands. Some are definitely subjected to AT
What an incredible purchase! That box of original envelopes and holders is amazing! Doesn't even matter if some of these are AT, looks like a bunch of these will grade very high. Definitely some 67's in there...the Wisconsin, Cleveland, Norfolk, York and Iowa coins for sure and probably some others I forgot to list.
Jeff
Dan, this is a very impressive assemblage of coins. While you are fortunate to have acquired them, much credit is due to the original purchases who saved the mailing envelopes. Their storage in those envelopes may well explain some of the unusual toning. This may be a great opportunity to study the chemical composition of those envelopes, especially the ones that contained the great toners.
Interestingly, I have one of your 1910 IHC PR coins that is in your original flip that is toning in a colorful way around the edges of the coin. It will be a fun coin to watch over the years.
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The bottom Norfolk looks really nice!
I finally got around to imaging the packaging.
Not all the coins in this collection came with packaging.
Here is everything that was included:
1936 Robinson / Arkansas:
1936 Bridgeport:
1936 Rhode Island:
1936 Wisconsin:
1936 Delaware:
1936 Great Lakes / Cleveland (A):
1936 Great Lakes / Cleveland (B):
1936 York County Maine:
1935-S San Diego / California Pacific Expo:
1936-D San Diego / California Pacific Expo:
1936 Daniel Boone:
1936 Long Island:
1937 Texas:
1936 Oakland Bay Bridge (A):
1936 Oakland Bay Bridge (B):
1936 Norfolk Virginia:
1936 Columbia South Carolina:
1937-1938 Oregon Trail:
1936 Gettysburg:
1937 Antietam:
1937 Roanoke North Carolina:
@dcarr
6-months from the coins to the paraphernalia.
Perusing all the stamps and postmarks and one of the addresses was at the YMCA.
Toning looks ARTIFICIAL on a good 90% of them. But since those are blatantly AT, I’m going to guess the cook just got lucky on the others. So they’re most likely all AT if from the same source.
Look at that first Lincoln, the first California and one of the Gettysburg and Oregon trails further down - what an absolute joke! A real shame too that someone decided they wanted to ruin so many nice coins.
And the last Booker T, seriously pathetic.
Hopefully when it comes time sell this collection,
it can be sold intact. Lots of history here, might make
a nice exhibit some day.
Quite a few cooked (AT’d) coins in there — but some beauties too mixed in.
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Nice group.
I have seen Rhode Islands that look like that.
Love the packaging! Thanks for posting!
Depending upon the purchase price, this could well be a shoe in candidate for a "You Suck" award!
What a find!
Cheers
Bob
Very cool!
P.S. I wouldn't submit the blue or purple coins on the same invoice as the others. Those look the most questionable color wise and might cause more suspicion on the others.
Not submitting. Keeping them just because you like them. What a concept! Good for you, Dan...
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UPDATE IN FIRST POST (grades are in).
I can't see any of the pics that @dcarr posted. and the link in the OP brings me to "MY" account. Any explanation?
Wow, old thread.
Oops.
I corrected the link in first post. And here is the correct link again, for the grades and TrueViews:
https://pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/22600297
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Since the first post in this thread is pretty long, here is the updated part in case people come here first:
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UPDATE:
It took four years, but I finally submitted these coins and got the grades back.
A few notes:
Most, but not all, of the coins pictured above were submitted.
A few additional coins (not shown above) were thrown into the mix.
The one coin designated "cleaned" (Bay Bridge) does not exhibit any hairlines.
I bet if I "dipped" it, it would grade (but I don't plan to do that).
The Rhode Island did not get the "PL" designation as it should have (in my opinion).
It is every bit as proof-like as others graded "PL".
As I expected the blue 1937-D Oregon received a "questionable color" designation.
But it is still my favorite one and I don't care what anyone else says or thinks
Definitely quite a few "winners" in this group !
Here is the shared order with TrueView images and links:
https://pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/22600297
Wow, beautiful coins and awesome grades. Not too many rejects. You did great. And thanks for responding.
Wow! Fantastic collection. At least 2 of the coins are pictured now on CoinFacts!
Wonderful examples and varieties! Congrats on some really nice finds and pretty solid results overall!
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