Help With IDing a McClellan Political Token (Anyone have a DeWitt handy?)

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phnatacc
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So the obverse is identical to what I've been able to find online as GMcC 1864-25, but the reverse eagle has a larger wingspan and the tips point to different letters than that particular catalogue number. Just wondering if there are catalogued variants of this particular medal. My apologies if I'm asking in the wrong place.. been a while since I posted here.


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  • Smudge
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    Could be a long wait. Lincoln said he had a case of the "slows".

  • RogerB
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    Look on NNP.

  • phnatacc
    phnatacc Posts: 367 ✭✭
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    @RogerB said:
    Look on NNP.

    Yeah, I've been exploring the auction catalogs to see if I could find a match. I did a book search there a while ago but it didn't get me anywhere unfortunately.

  • MedalCollector
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    edited May 16, 2018 4:03PM
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    GMcC 1864-25. Are the different reverses distinct varieties?

  • phnatacc
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    @GoldenEgg said:
    GMcC 1864-25. Are the different reverses distinct varieties?

    I don't know, perhaps they aren't. But I can't find any GMcC 1864-25 previous sales that have this reverse either.

  • DCW
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    Let me send up the bat signal...
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  • BillJones
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    Yes, GMcC 1864-25. Here is my piece.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • phnatacc
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    Much appreciated BillJones & GoldenEgg. So, no separate variety for different eagle. Guess I did a lot of searching for nothing :D

  • Broadstruck
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    @DCW said:
    Let me send up the bat signal...
    @Broadstruck

    Just saw the bat signal and yes there are 2 difference reverses for the GMcC 1864-25 however only 1 is listed by DeWitt & Sullivan. Not only do the wings tips point to different reverse peripheral script letter positions, but the eagle wing design is completely different. If you look at the 2 examples the Eagle top spread wing on one has 2 feather sections and 3 on the other. Also the eagles feathered tail is difference and the olive branch on one curves up and on the other is straight. On the photo examples the DeWitt/Sullivan listed example is on the right with a hole for suspension. The examples phnatacc, BillJones, and I are posting to this thread are the unlisted variety and you'll see remnants of each being early die strikes which still show circular lathe marks. My example far below has intense lathe marks and is fully proof-like. The Dewitt/Sullivan listed example is far more common as including yours and Bill's I think I've now seen less than 6 in all grades from UNC to VF. I feel the unlisted reverse die used first must have cracked and the more commonly seen listed reverse die was cut and used to strike the majority of this issue. Okay now back to the bat cave ;)

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  • Broadstruck
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    @phnatacc said:
    Much appreciated BillJones & GoldenEgg. So, no separate variety for different eagle. Guess I did a lot of searching for nothing :D

    @phnatacc Woohoo wake up as yes there is :D

    I guess at some point one would been to be designated as GMcC 1864-25a & the other as GMcC 1864-25b.

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  • phnatacc
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    Wow! Thanks so much for all this information. You guys are great!

  • Broadstruck
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    John J. Ford, Jr. had the only other high grade example I've seen which again shows the circular lathe marks.

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  • phnatacc
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    Its hard to tell for sure from the examples posted, but do these reverses also show a recut D in PRESERVED on the reverse? It looks like the last specimen might.

  • Broadstruck
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    @phnatacc said:
    Its hard to tell for sure from the examples posted, but do these reverses also show a recut D in PRESERVED on the reverse? It looks like the last specimen might.

    On my example the bottom of the D in PRESERVED has been re-cut along with the top pf the T in THE.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!

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