What would you tell the guy who found this ?
TwoSides2aCoin
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He found it along a body of water in the sand.
I told him I would ASK the experts
Any help is appreciated. I tried to get him to calm down, at least until he finds out the coinfacts.
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Brass replica
Fake. Seems to be plated.
Thanks Fred. I tried to tell him the initials (at least the E) was missing the serif, for one thing. Then I mentioned other "pick up" points to look for , like the design of the wreath and how the leaves were flowing opposite the original. I don't blame anyone for the excitement and exuberance, in a find along the dusty trails, or river's edges.
I'm glad we still have treasure seekers.
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He said he knows brass and "this isn't brass". Though, am not going to dissuade his excitement. I want to encourage study. I steered him here. ( PCGS Coin Facts, actually ) My bad.
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looks bogus to me just saying
I'd tell him "Cool! Thanks for sharing"
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At least you are running interference and posting this for him. That way we are spared the direct defiance to answers he does not want to hear.
I am not even sure what that thing is supposed to be - a Brasher Doubloon maybe? It looks two toned to me - a gold colored plating over a silvery base metal. The EB which should be a stamped into a genuine coin is just part of the design on this cast replica.
I am all for treasure hunting, but unless someone knows what treasure actually looks like they are going to waste a lot of time and energy.
A lot of new collectors (especially ones who think they have found an error) insist on believing the coin is genuine unless proven to them otherwise, which is an impossible task since they refuse to listen to experienced people. It should be the other way around - approach the potentially valuable finds with extreme skepticism until it can be proven that they are real.
While I don't know anything about this particular item, that fact that color has been worn off the high points makes me want to agree with the conclusion of replica.
First of all, the design simply looks like something that is old enough that it should pre-date any type of electro-plating or cladding of coinage that could get worn off to see a different metal under the plating/cladding.
Second of all, even if the coin were young enough that it could be a multi-layer/multi-metal coin, seems like usually these layers are resilient enough that you seldom ever see a coin worn thru to the point that the under layer becomes exposed.
(But then, I also don't know much about dark-side coins).
It is a white metal or lead imitation with a "gold colored" plating. Hie is the most circulated one of these I've seen. probably due to the action of the sand and water.
Forgot to add the "brass" part of my reply. He is correct about the metal.
Tell him:
Fun find, but don't retire yet
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Would have been nice if it was this:
I think I have one of these. Maybe later I can post a pic.
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Anyone who "finds" anything like this experiences a feeling of faith that every major religion in the world would like the recipe too. He will be the last one to accept it is a fake, do not try so hard to convince him, just tell him what you think and l let him "go through the steps"
Don't dissuade him, tell him to send to PCGS for grading if he won't listed to reason. Many of us call that tuition.
bob
I would say fun find, but keep looking.
@REALGATOR Thanks for showing a real one.
I guess, there is a slight bit of difference between the real coin and the one found.
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Tell good luck on future hunts.
Besides, the "real treasure" is the quantity of more mundane finds that can add up to a nest egg large enough to buy something that is really made of gold. Assuming he is metal detecting, he should try to find satisfaction with a pile of more common stuff (coins, lost jewelry, etc.) and if the occasional huge find comes along, then fantastic.
Everyone wants the big score, but a whole lot of smaller finds can also add up.
That one was just the decoy, the real one is probably buried another foot down.
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Looks pretty old. Counterfeiting is an old profession. Sitting in sand will age it quickly though.
...tell him to keep on digging till he gets to the real Chinese coins
Inexperienced individuals that find coins and other 'treasures' are most reluctant to accept the bad news. When I lived out west I was constantly brought 'gold nuggets'...that were fools gold. So easy to detect once understood... coins can be a tad more difficult sometimes....not in this case though. Cheers, RickO
Not brass.
But it is a gold-plated base-metal replica.
I found these next to a body of water. I am positive they are not brass.
Sorta.