What do you think of this morgan $?

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Bochiman
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How would YOU grade it (from the picture)?
No toning, so some may like it while others may not.

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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks PL-ish, tough image to grade from.
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  • ACop
    ACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU55

  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Bochiman AU58 due to some chatters IMHO and I am not into toned morgan as yet so I like it!
    Are you planning to acquire it?

  • Bochiman
    Bochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I won't mention any grade, yet, if there is one (ie...if PCGS didn't 'bodybag' it), but it is already mine.

    I was going back through Truviews for a different reason, saw a few coins, and felt like sharing them.

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  • mt_msla
    mt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
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  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I apologize if I used the wrong terms.....

    @Bochiman said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    @Bochiman AU58 due to some chatters IMHO and I am not into toned morgan as yet so I like it!
    Are you planning to acquire it?

    Btw....not saying it is/isn't AU, but I did a doubletake reading your post......maybe you meant something else, but "chatter" doesn't AU a coin. Rub does. Wear does. Chatter doesn't.
    Chatter WILL lower the MS grade though.

  • ACop
    ACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Bad girl

  • SurfinxHI
    SurfinxHI Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Image is flat. So, my guess is a lower grade. I can see some hits, but I think the flatness hides some. 63+, 64

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  • Timbuk3
    Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 !!! :)

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  • Stooge
    Stooge Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64.

    Very nice looking Morgan! Is it for sale?


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  • Bochiman
    Bochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    .> @Paradisefound said:

    I apologize if I used the wrong terms.....

    @Bochiman said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    @Bochiman AU58 due to some chatters IMHO and I am not into toned morgan as yet so I like it!
    Are you planning to acquire it?

    Btw....not saying it is/isn't AU, but I did a doubletake reading your post......maybe you meant something else, but "chatter" doesn't AU a coin. Rub does. Wear does. Chatter doesn't.
    Chatter WILL lower the MS grade though.

    No apologies needed. Just weren't sure if that was what you meant. Typing doesn't convey much nuance.

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  • Bochiman
    Bochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @SurfinxHI said:
    Image is flat. So, my guess is a lower grade. I can see some hits, but I think the flatness hides some. 63+, 64

    Where! At least it wasn't my image this time ;)

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  • Bochiman
    Bochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Stooge said:
    MS64.

    Very nice looking Morgan! Is it for sale?

    Possibly. I've only got a couple of coins which are "not for sale", unless it were a truly insane price. This isn't one of those.
    PM me if you are really interested as I didn't mean to make this a FS thread (but I don't mind....just didn't have any intent to pimp it out when I posted it....saw it in a TV when I was grabbing the TV of the dime I showed you earlier).

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  • Type2
    Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 Looks nice for a 64 but they come nice.



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  • blitzdude
    blitzdude Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice MS61 imo maybe a 62 from the gradeflators, congrats

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  • Lakesammman
    Lakesammman Posts: 17,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Man, that has to be at least a 64 but seems to be lacking the luster needed for a higher grade.

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  • slider23
    slider23 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS65

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say MS64....if it had some luster I would say 65..... Nice looking Morgan. Cheers, RickO

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  • WDH
    WDH Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
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    65

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks 65 to me,

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  • DNADave
    DNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    From the image, I'll go out on a limb and say 65+

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @blitzdude said: "Nice MS61 imo maybe a 62 from the gradeflators, congrats"

    Grading is subjective. What do you see in the image that makes this an MS-61 or MS-62 in your opinion? For example, how many detracting marks do you allow on a coin you grade MS-62?

    AFAIK, "Gradeflation" refers to a change in a coin's grade over time as the older standard becomes more liberal. I don't understand what this coin's grade could have been in the past before the "gradeflation" you mention occurred. Do you think it was an AU-55, AU-58, or MS-60?

  • HighRelief
    HighRelief Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The hit on the jaw and nose could keep it from a 65 so I am calling it a nice 64.

  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a 64 to me. I have no issue with the color.

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  • thefinn
    thefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66. Only looks flat because it is semi-PL. Very nice.

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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    hard to say from a photo, but if it is as lack luster as the photo shows and with the scar on liberty's jaw I would guess 64/64+.
    Still a very clean Morgan. I bet you will have some offers other than the one mentioned.
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  • nencoin
    nencoin Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭✭
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    66+

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  • CCGGG
    CCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • mbogoman
    mbogoman Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

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  • coinhack
    coinhack Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Assuming that it has some nice luster, which you can't tell from the photo, then I would say 65+ or if it has booming luster then a 66

  • tommy44
    tommy44 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64, 65 on a good day.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • jtlee321
    jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would like to call her a 66+, however, it has the over dipped look that others have mentioned. The obverse looks to have less luster than the reverse. Both sides appear to have a semi PL fields. I think PCGS may have been tough on her for the lack of luster and called it a 64. It's a coin that I would buy to put away in my collection in a heartbeat if I came across it in a 64 holder.

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  • Kkathyl
    Kkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So we see AU55-58 all the way to 65-66. I think the picture is fine but would call the coin a 63 because it does not have anything too distracting but about 5-6 areas with light marks. Since the coin is found commonly in this condition, it does not seem to warrant much more then that. But I could be wrong.

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  • blitzdude
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    @Insider2 said:
    @blitzdude said: "Nice MS61 imo maybe a 62 from the gradeflators, congrats"

    Grading is subjective. What do you see in the image that makes this an MS-61 or MS-62 in your opinion? For example, how many detracting marks do you allow on a coin you grade MS-62?

    AFAIK, "Gradeflation" refers to a change in a coin's grade over time as the older standard becomes more liberal. I don't understand what this coin's grade could have been in the past before the "gradeflation" you mention occurred. Do you think it was an AU-55, AU-58, or MS-60?

    I think its a solid 61, wouldn't be surprised if tpg overgraded it at 62. TPG tend to overgrade, especially Morgan/Peace. Gradeflation keeps em coming back and at the end of the day it's all about the Benjamins

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1. Shot at 65. Nice, but Morgan's aren't my favorites.
  • halfhunter
    halfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
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    66PL
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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ms 65

  • HighRelief
    HighRelief Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @blitzdude said:

    @Insider2 said:
    @blitzdude said: "Nice MS61 imo maybe a 62 from the gradeflators, congrats"

    Grading is subjective. What do you see in the image that makes this an MS-61 or MS-62 in your opinion? For example, how many detracting marks do you allow on a coin you grade MS-62?

    AFAIK, "Gradeflation" refers to a change in a coin's grade over time as the older standard becomes more liberal. I don't understand what this coin's grade could have been in the past before the "gradeflation" you mention occurred. Do you think it was an AU-55, AU-58, or MS-60?

    I think its a solid 61, wouldn't be surprised if tpg overgraded it at 62. TPG tend to overgrade, especially Morgan/Peace. Gradeflation keeps em coming back and at the end of the day it's all about the Benjamins

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @blitzdude said: "I think its a solid 61, wouldn't be surprised if tpg overgraded it at 62. TPG tend to overgrade, especially Morgan/Peace. Gradeflation keeps em coming back and at the end of the day it's all about the Benjamins"

    I'm trying to get you more up to speed (see my offer to you on your "board") by asking questions. You don't need to answer but if you do, your answers may be helpful to others.

    1. What should an MS-61 or MS-62 Morgan dollar look like?

    2. You have made some strong accusations about TPGS and the folks who work at them. What do you base your opinion on? How many coins have you sent to be graded in the last four months?

  • CascadeChris
    CascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Without seeing it in hand I'd say nice shot at 67 in terms of pmd & strike. Could lower my estimate in hand though depending on luster and any light scuffs being hidden by the TV

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  • jtlee321
    jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @blitzdude said:

    @Insider2 said:
    @blitzdude said: "Nice MS61 imo maybe a 62 from the gradeflators, congrats"

    Grading is subjective. What do you see in the image that makes this an MS-61 or MS-62 in your opinion? For example, how many detracting marks do you allow on a coin you grade MS-62?

    AFAIK, "Gradeflation" refers to a change in a coin's grade over time as the older standard becomes more liberal. I don't understand what this coin's grade could have been in the past before the "gradeflation" you mention occurred. Do you think it was an AU-55, AU-58, or MS-60?

    I think its a solid 61, wouldn't be surprised if tpg overgraded it at 62. TPG tend to overgrade, especially Morgan/Peace. Gradeflation keeps em coming back and at the end of the day it's all about the Benjamins

    I'll take all of your personally graded MS-62 and above Morgan Dollars, sight unseen... I just have no idea nor will anyone else have an idea of how you arrived at MS-61.

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  • SurfinxHI
    SurfinxHI Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Bochiman said:

    @SurfinxHI said:
    Image is flat. So, my guess is a lower grade. I can see some hits, but I think the flatness hides some. 63+, 64

    Where! At least it wasn't my image this time ;)

    The image just has a flat appearance, no pop! Are you referring to hits? Tip of nose. Check/neck line. Off the chin, etc.

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  • engineers
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    63 nice morgan

  • coinsarefun
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    Super nice Morgan!

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  • ACop
    ACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If th coin is not AU then it was not graded for some sort of manipulation on the cheek. Looks nearly pitted.

  • SeattleSlammer
    SeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Former ACG 68. :wink:

  • grip
    grip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks 66+, In hand that could change.

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