Can you see what I see? 1985 P Nickle error?

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• 19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 1:15AM Answer ✓

  I do not understand what has happened to the forum.

  I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
  
  
  
  The name is LEE!

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• jmlanzaf Posts: 36,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 1:48AM Answer ✓

  @19Lyds said:
  I do not understand what has happened to the forum.

  A few trolls have really ruined the mood. I'm not sure why everyone doesn't just ignore the trolls or, ala ricko, simply make a friendly comment and move on. In this case, this person could be trolling or could just be a newbie. It's kind of hard to tell from a first post.

  All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

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• JBK Posts: 16,477 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 4:28AM Answer ✓

  @Piggybanker if you are for real then excuse the rocky start. You won't find a more knowledgeable group of people anywhere else. You showed up at a bad time. There a two or three trolls who have been playing games lately and your post looked an awful lot like theirs.

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• ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 6:42AM Answer ✓

  @Piggybanker ... Welcome aboard.... Please excuse some of the comments... there has been some activity lately that appears to be intentionally irritating by one (or maybe two) posters. Some forum members have become sensitized to the trolling. Your pictures are too blurry for proper evaluation. That being said, if the indicia appears to be struck twice, it is likely machine doubling. This characteristic does not carry added value. Check other posts or google machine doubling and you will see many examples. Cheers, RickO

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• ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 6:45AM Answer ✓

  @ricko said:
  @Piggybanker ... Welcome aboard.... Please excuse some of the comments... there has been some activity lately that appears to be intentionally irritating by one (or maybe two) posters. Some forum members have become sensitized to the trolling. Your pictures are too blurry for proper evaluation. That being said, if the indicia appears to be struck twice, it is likely machine doubling. This characteristic does not carry added value. Check other posts or google machine doubling and you will see many examples. Cheers, RickO

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• AUandAG Posts: 24,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 7:56AM Answer ✓

  I see the "doubling" on his coat. Clearly machine or shelf or mechanical doubling but not die doubling.
  Google is your friend:
  https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5688/Double-Dies-vs-Machine-Doubling/

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• JBK Posts: 16,477 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 8:11AM Answer ✓

  Don't be disappointed if mot real. It is a valuable find in your education so that one day when you find a real doubled die you will know it.

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• davewesen Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 10:31AM Answer ✓

  Could you post a close-up of the last O in MONTICELLO on the reverse? It does not look typical.
  Welcome to the forums.

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• Piggybanker Posts: 36 ✭

  April 22, 2018 10:34AM Answer ✓

  @jmlanzaf said:

  @19Lyds said:
  I do not understand what has happened to the forum.

  A few trolls have really ruined the mood. I'm not sure why everyone doesn't just ignore the trolls or, ala ricko, simply make a friendly comment and move on. In this case, this person could be trolling or could just be a newbie. It's kind of hard to tell from a first post.

  Thank you .. I must agree!

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• Piggybanker Posts: 36 ✭

  April 22, 2018 10:40AM Answer ✓

  @JBK said:
  @Piggybanker if you are for real then excuse the rocky start. You won't find a more knowledgeable group of people anywhere else. You showed up at a bad time. There a two or three trolls who have been playing games lately and your post looked an awful lot like theirs.

  Aah Hah. I see..Understandable

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• Piggybanker Posts: 36 ✭

  April 22, 2018 10:53AM Answer ✓

  @davewesen said:
  Could you post a close-up of the last O in MONTICELLO on the reverse? It does not look typical.
  Welcome to the forums.

  I shall...

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• BlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

  April 22, 2018 8:09PM Answer ✓

  I've been through this myself:

  You MUST find a way to post clear, well lighted and sharp photos to have a chance for anyone here to give you input on potential errors.

  We have folks that have spent YEARS of their lives buying, selling, trading and most of all learning all about coins. Many of us are amateurs (albeit educated ones) and most of us are very happy to take the time and look, but it is exceptionally frustrating to try and characterize a coin with wholly insufficient data.

  Please, PLEASE accept input and remain teachable, and don't mind the occasional cranky ones. You'll learn the most from them - even if it is how not to be

  Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1

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• Piggybanker Posts: 36 ✭

  April 24, 2018 12:53AM Answer ✓

  @BlindedByEgo said:
  I've been through this myself:

  You MUST find a way to post clear, well lighted and sharp photos to have a chance for anyone here to give you input on potential errors.

  We have folks that have spent YEARS of their lives buying, selling, trading and most of all learning all about coins. Many of us are amateurs (albeit educated ones) and most of us are very happy to take the time and look, but it is exceptionally frustrating to try and characterize a coin with wholly insufficient data.

  Please, PLEASE accept input and remain teachable, and don't mind the occasional cranky ones. You'll learn the most from them - even if it is how not to be

  Working on that daily. Soon they should be as clear as in person.
  Thanks for that and I don't mind any thing that I can learn from. Appreciate that.> @Piggybanker said:

  @davewesen said:
  Could you post a close-up of the last O in MONTICELLO on the reverse? It does not look typical.
  Welcome to the forums.

  I shall...

  I'm working on perfecting the picture quality..so I will most likely have some new ones for you tomorrow.
  Thanks

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• 19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭

  April 25, 2018 10:04AM Answer ✓

  @Piggybanker said:
  I apologise. Wow...
  I did not know how your forum worked.
  With the naked eye I can see that the nickle has been stamped twice.

  Is this how everyone that is new to the forum here is treated? I am learning about " How to use the "correct words"excited about coin collecting and seems like I am bashed for not knowing exactly how to talk coin talk.
  I'll just mosey on down the road and deal with real connected folk.
  Thanks..

  First off, "Stamped Twice" is a newbie's term as folks that know about the minting process know that the ONLY coins which receive multiple pressings are either Proof Coins or specific Collector Only Coins.
  Yes, some coins can get "stuck" in the press but they typically display some other type of damage AND the second impression is typically off center.

  Close 2nd Impressions are rare but they do exist on some proof and collector coins.

  Jefferson Nickels receive a single strike as do all coins intended for circulation.

  Now, when a new member uses the term 'Stamped Twice", they are usually referring to what is known as a "Double Die". A doubled die occurs when the "die", the item used to put the design onto the coin, gets "stamped twice".

  Prior to the mid 80's, all dies were created using multiple pressings to bring up the relief on the die used to make coins. Between pressings, the die was removed from the press, softened (through annealing-i.e. heat) and then put back into the press. If the die was not properly aligned in the press, 2nd and subsequent impressions would create a doubled image. Hence the term doubled die. All coins produced from this die would have thos doubling and, to the newbie, would appear to have been struck twice. These coins would have have distinct doubling that is in relif and that would NOT appear to be flat, or shelf like.

  Now, consider this, "IF" a coin, which has devices in relief (meaning they come up out of the field), gets struck a second time, it only stands to reason that the devices created from the first strike would get smashed back down into the fields making "doubling" very difficult to detect except for ghosted images.
  Most folks don't even think about this but it;s the reality of the minting process.

  During the late 80's, the US Mint started using what's known as the "Single Squeeze" process of die production which basically means that the the die would get a solitary strike, if you will, thereby eliminating those pesky doubled dies that reflect poorly on the US Mints reputation for creating high quality coinage.

  Back to your coin. From your blurry images, I thought I saw some doubling on the right side of the Monticello Building which, on a Jefferson Nickel, can be an indicator of die doubling.
  However, the very same area can also be affected by whats known as "machine doubling". Also called "ejection doubling" or "mechanical doubling".

  What machine doubling is, is when the die does not fully clear the newly struck coin before the ejection process begins and the coin bumps, slides, hits, makes contact with, the dies on its way out of the coining chamber. This can create the appearance of doubling but it is in no way "collectible" doubling in that it can be random. It can be minor or it can just look really cool. In the case of really cool looking machine doubling, there are folks that will pay a very slight premium for such coins but typically speaking, that is not a sustainable premium which is where the true value in collecting coins comes from.

  So, for you and future readers of this post that use the term "stamped twice", read and learn and try to understand that seasoned collectors on this and other coin forums, have heard or read the term "stamped twice" thousands of times and some of them get a little cranky when the term is dangled in front of them by other members whose sole purpose in visiting the forum is to do nothing other than to stir things up.

  Personally, I visit very rarely any more and did not really see anything which would have elicited a "blocking" and the very fact that someone would post that you were being blocked, says a lot about that individual.
  Blocking another forum member simply means that they no longer want to even see what the blocked member has to say so the blocked members posts just do not show up. Blocking should not be accompanied with a lot of pomp and circumstance. Just block and move along.

  This is why I said "What has happened to the forum".

  This used to be a friendly place where all were welcomed but in recent years, its been invaded by folks that have nothing to say other than something mean or nasty. Parading out a "You are Blocked" as if it were some badge of knowledge appears to be chidish at best since the reality is that, if hey don;t like your post, then just move on to some other post. Goodness knows that there are plenty of other posts where folks can participate and offer insight or experience.

  Hopefully, you'll get some clearer pictures for future questions regarding this or other coins you happen across.

  I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
  
  
  
  The name is LEE!

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