I greatly appreciate your expertise and opinion in this field.
Why would the seller pass such a promise if he / she knows there maybe a real chance in these rolls
I do love those 1955/55 DDO double date struck one though...$1250 for a penny is kind of hard to justify right now
If $1250 for a penny is hard to justify, how can spending $160 where the probability of finding a 55/55 is approaching 0% be justified?
Your odds and the payoff are better at the roulette wheel at the casino. And neither is very good there.
This thread is a good example showing how sellers are not always the primary source of ebay related problems.
Posters here have concluded the following:
The ebay listing is for 50 rolls.
The rolls came from a sealed box.
Since the sealed box says NY on it, the rolls must have been wrapped in or around NY.
The seller will clear $8K.
You could "hope for" a few MS66 pieces.
None of this is claimed or can be discerned with certainty from the listing.
@au58 said:
This thread is a good example showing how sellers are not always the primary source of ebay related problems.
Posters here have concluded the following:
The ebay listing is for 50 rolls.
The rolls came from a sealed box.
Since the sealed box says NY on it, the rolls must have been wrapped in or around NY.
The seller will clear $8K.
You could "hope for" a few MS66 pieces.
None of this is claimed or can be discerned with certainty from the listing.
I couldn't agree more. About half of the eBay issues I've had have come from sellers asking me AFTER the purchase a question they could have/should have asked BEFORE making the purchase.
One of my favorites, because it is so minor and silly, is a buyer telling me they thought the auction was for TWO coins, because I showed two pictures - one of the FRONT and one of the BACK of the coin. Believe it or not, this has happened multiple times.
This has become even more common since the app has risen in prominence. It seems fewer and fewer people even read the description, they just look at the picture and draw a conclusion.
@Paradisefound ...I am glad you decided against this offering. Odds were terribly high against finding one of the DDO cents... I had three of these when I was a kid with a paper route (one of them, even before the route, was given to me by my Dad who smoked Lucky Strike cigarettes - he said it would be worth a lot someday). These three disappeared when I joined the Navy, I know my Mom just cleaned out a lot of my stuff and likely bought a loaf of bread with them...she had no idea they were special. I have been change searching for one ever since.... Cheers, RickO
@ECHOES said:
Going out on a limb here...
I would think '50 Pennies' would be printed after the cents were rolled.
Several rolls shown the printing does not line up.
That would tell me they were opened.
I've learned that if you have to question something to this extent, leave it alone.
I would think your chances of finding a 55 DD to be nada.
No, they print the paper before wrapping. MUCH easier to print flat paper than curved rolls.
I will agree to disagree,
If that were the case the printing would not be on the edges of the paper.
Why does some printing line up, and others don't?
I would think the company rolling these cents would want the printing legible.
You can agree to disagree, but that's just you agreeing to be wrong.
OK,OK, don't get your knickers in a knot....
Might want to read this....
" This invention relates to coin separating, counting and wrapping machines, the object of the invention being to produce a machine of this character into the hopper of which a lot of mixed coins can be placed which by the operation of the machine will be automatically separated into their different denominations, counted, an packaged, each denomination by itself, suitable printing mechanism being associated with the packaging devices for each denomination whereby the value of each package may be indicated thereon."
I will agree to disagree...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
@ricko said: @Paradisefound ...I am glad you decided against this offering. Odds were terribly high against finding one of the DDO cents... I had three of these when I was a kid with a paper route (one of them, even before the route, was given to me by my Dad who smoked Lucky Strike cigarettes - he said it would be worth a lot someday). These three disappeared when I joined the Navy, I know my Mom just cleaned out a lot of my stuff and likely bought a loaf of bread with them...she had no idea they were special. I have been change searching for one ever since.... Cheers, RickO
That's a heck of a story, Ricko. It's a real life confirmation of what we already knew........and the brand of cigs to boot!
Sometimes life is a better confirmation of things than any amount of research could provide.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
I've learned that if you have to question something to this extent, leave it alone.
I would think your chances of finding a 55 DD to be nada.
I will agree to disagree...
My knickers aren't in a knot. But you are misleading the OP. I've had thousands of those rolls and the paper used is printed on the inside of the roll as well as the outside. I don't know about that NGC-referenced patent, but the rolls in that eBay listing are common and print flat before rolling. I'm holding a roll of 1972 cents in my hand right now that is shotgun wrapped that way.
And if you bought "original rolls" on eBay and sent them back for the reason you give here...well, as another poster often says, that's why coin dealers drink.
The 50s are "modern". The rolls that had date or value printed on them after rolling usually look more like a postal cancel. Again, you don't have to believe me, but I've handled thousands of those rolls and they are printed flat before rolling.
I mean, obviously, you're never going to agree with me. Maybe if you want to tag someone whose opinion you respect, you'll get an answer you believe.
I don't currently have anything early than the late 60's lying around or I'd spam you with photos.
Then in all reality you don't know...
If you go back and read my first post I started with 'going out on a limb'
Then did a search for info related to coin rolling machines.
I feel it is safe to say those rolls in the OP have been opened searched and haphazardly rerolled.
Also feel to say that ebay sellers such as this would cause buyers to drink and return items for being listed as something they are not.
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
So safe to say there was only one type of machinery rolling coins in the 50's?
All done the exact same way?
Lastly, these pic's, listings are without a doubt 100% original, never opened, messed with?
Right.
Carry on...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
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If $1250 for a penny is hard to justify, how can spending $160 where the probability of finding a 55/55 is approaching 0% be justified?
Your odds and the payoff are better at the roulette wheel at the casino. And neither is very good there.
This thread is a good example showing how sellers are not always the primary source of ebay related problems.
Posters here have concluded the following:
The ebay listing is for 50 rolls.
The rolls came from a sealed box.
Since the sealed box says NY on it, the rolls must have been wrapped in or around NY.
The seller will clear $8K.
You could "hope for" a few MS66 pieces.
None of this is claimed or can be discerned with certainty from the listing.
I couldn't agree more. About half of the eBay issues I've had have come from sellers asking me AFTER the purchase a question they could have/should have asked BEFORE making the purchase.
One of my favorites, because it is so minor and silly, is a buyer telling me they thought the auction was for TWO coins, because I showed two pictures - one of the FRONT and one of the BACK of the coin. Believe it or not, this has happened multiple times.
This has become even more common since the app has risen in prominence. It seems fewer and fewer people even read the description, they just look at the picture and draw a conclusion.
@Paradisefound ...I am glad you decided against this offering. Odds were terribly high against finding one of the DDO cents... I had three of these when I was a kid with a paper route (one of them, even before the route, was given to me by my Dad who smoked Lucky Strike cigarettes - he said it would be worth a lot someday). These three disappeared when I joined the Navy, I know my Mom just cleaned out a lot of my stuff and likely bought a loaf of bread with them...she had no idea they were special. I have been change searching for one ever since....
Cheers, RickO
OK,OK, don't get your knickers in a knot....
Might want to read this....
https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/305239-obw-rolls-what-can-we-learn-from-the-earliest-patents/
" This invention relates to coin separating, counting and wrapping machines, the object of the invention being to produce a machine of this character into the hopper of which a lot of mixed coins can be placed which by the operation of the machine will be automatically separated into their different denominations, counted, an packaged, each denomination by itself, suitable printing mechanism being associated with the packaging devices for each denomination whereby the value of each package may be indicated thereon."
I will agree to disagree...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
That's a heck of a story, Ricko. It's a real life confirmation of what we already knew........and the brand of cigs to boot!
Sometimes life is a better confirmation of things than any amount of research could provide.
Pete
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzA1pKqqvCg-QmmIy3r7lo6m374kIIGB_BzWHBCHkBsgxw8mzrpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTR-UYkUKtaahNE55jASGyPr-7c48M4Kv0QqpTq95hxvXQDPl_Rsg
My knickers aren't in a knot. But you are misleading the OP. I've had thousands of those rolls and the paper used is printed on the inside of the roll as well as the outside. I don't know about that NGC-referenced patent, but the rolls in that eBay listing are common and print flat before rolling. I'm holding a roll of 1972 cents in my hand right now that is shotgun wrapped that way.
And if you bought "original rolls" on eBay and sent them back for the reason you give here...well, as another poster often says, that's why coin dealers drink.
At $159 per roll, refer to P.T. Barnum before acting.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Not misleading anyone, you have to be right no matter what.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
For the sake of argument, how many (approximately) of these 'thousand of' rolls were from the 40's-50's that you have handled?
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
These are modern, OP's rolls are from the 50's.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
tic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTR-UYkUKtaahNE55jASGyPr-7c48M4Kv0QqpTq95hxvXQDPl_Rsg")
The 50s are "modern". The rolls that had date or value printed on them after rolling usually look more like a postal cancel. Again, you don't have to believe me, but I've handled thousands of those rolls and they are printed flat before rolling.
I mean, obviously, you're never going to agree with me. Maybe if you want to tag someone whose opinion you respect, you'll get an answer you believe.
I don't currently have anything early than the late 60's lying around or I'd spam you with photos.
Then in all reality you don't know...
If you go back and read my first post I started with 'going out on a limb'
Then did a search for info related to coin rolling machines.
I feel it is safe to say those rolls in the OP have been opened searched and haphazardly rerolled.
Also feel to say that ebay sellers such as this would cause buyers to drink and return items for being listed as something they are not.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfbJZpFkFGRYaLVD3_9QC6gPI30osUKPaDLaRGKT3EypQIB-1o
https://ebay.com/itm/1958-D-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll-BU-Uncirculated-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent-Pennies/392012013843?hash=item5b45bca113:g:pxoAAOSwWxNYvZWB
So safe to say there was only one type of machinery rolling coins in the 50's?
All done the exact same way?
Lastly, these pic's, listings are without a doubt 100% original, never opened, messed with?
Right.
Carry on...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck