If it's a fake coin does pcgs know immedietly

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 10:10AM

Just wondering how long it takes them to let you know if a coin turns out to be fake. I sent a valuable coin and today is 19 business days. It seems real but I'm wondering if it isn't real would they know right away? I sent on economy grading service

ModCrewman · February 20, 2018 10:12AM

I believe it'll take regular grading turn-around time. Those who unpackage the coins are likely not numismatic experts, so until it's turn is up in the queue, it will wait it's turn just like every other submission. Unfortunately you've got a few more days to wait.

tyler267 · February 20, 2018 10:16AM

@ModCrewman said:
I believe it'll take regular grading turn-around time. Those who unpackage the coins are likely not numismatic experts, so until it's turn is up in the queue, it will wait it's turn just like every other submission. Unfortunately you've got a few more days to wait.

I agree you are going to have to wait for a grader to look at the coin.

mvs7 · February 20, 2018 10:20AM

Yep, they might know pretty quickly once they look at it, but when it arrives there, it sits in line for weeks with the other submission backlog before getting its day in the sun.

pocketpiececommems · February 20, 2018 10:35AM

How long does it take? Good question. Bought a circ 1935-d in a PCGS holder that said it was cleaned. It didn't look cleaned so I cracked it out and sent it back for grading. It came back as Counterfeit. So I guess that all of their graders don't know Counterfeits. Cost me $125 for the coin and then additional for grading fees.

LanceNewmanOCC · February 20, 2018 10:40AM

@Gotgoodsman said:
Just wondering how long it takes them to let you know if a coin turns out to be fake. I sent a valuable coin and today is 19 business days. It seems real but I'm wondering if it isn't real would they know right away? I sent on economy grading service

next time post some pics. plenty of counterfeit detection talent around here.
.

Paradisefound · February 20, 2018 11:07AM

You will find out after they get to yours and when the grade is posted

PhilLynott · February 20, 2018 11:30AM

Did you send them a fake hoping it got by them and wondering if you're in the clear now that it's been 19 days?

Hope not but reads that way to me (maybe I'm just overly cynical). Like others said fake or real you won't know til the graders get it.

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 11:42AM

@pocketpiececommems said:
How long does it take? Good question. Bought a circ 1935-d in a PCGS holder that said it was cleaned. It didn't look cleaned so I cracked it out and sent it back for grading. It came back as Counterfeit. So I guess that all of their graders don't know Counterfeits. Cost me $125 for the coin and then additional for grading fees.

How long did that take them to let you know? I sent one before and had an answer in 3 days

MonsterCoinz · February 20, 2018 12:03PM

No, hence the "Authenticity Unverifiable" grade.

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 12:04PM

@PhilLynott said:
Did you send them a fake hoping it got by them and wondering if you're in the clear now that it's been 19 days?

Hope not but reads that way to me (maybe I'm just overly cynical). Like others said fake or real you won't know til the graders get it.

I can't tell I took it to a coin dealer and he couldn't verify if it was real it's such a valuable coin and rare and I'm just excited and sent it to find our for sire

Jcld · February 20, 2018 12:05PM

What is this coin you sent in?

MorganMan94 · February 20, 2018 12:06PM

What is the coin?

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 12:06PM

1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 12:11PM

@Jcld said:
What is this coin you sent in?

1943 copper coin dealer said it's a genuine coin but couldn't tell me for sure

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 12:14PM

He said everything checks out but he doubts it's real because of how rare it is

LindeDad · February 20, 2018 12:16PM

Off metals take longer as they require certain graders to work them.
Right Fred?

FredWeinberg · February 20, 2018 12:17PM

It's easy to counterfeit -

The proper weight of 3.1 grams
isn't the authentication point -
copper type 2 planchets are very
easy to find; they've been used
for decades to make fake '43's.

Any story as to where you got it?

Did you take any photos of it before you
submitted it?

SmithAuctionCo · February 20, 2018 12:18PM

Well if it’s authentic, you’ll know when they call you to upgrade your service level and cost for grading. I believe that would go under the “walk through” service level.

stevek · February 20, 2018 12:21PM

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

You'll soon find out one way or the other. Good luck!

PS: Don't go shopping for a Ferrari yet.

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 12:22PM

Thank you i will wait for the call just was wondering why if it were fake it would take so long

bronco2078 · February 20, 2018 12:23PM

@PhilLynott said:
Did you send them a fake hoping it got by them and wondering if you're in the clear now that it's been 19 days?

Hope not but reads that way to me (maybe I'm just overly cynical). Like others said fake or real you won't know til the graders get it.

not content to jump to conclusions like an ordinary poster , you have literally strapped rockets to your legs and are entering orbit.

LindeDad · February 20, 2018 12:28PM

$300 limit on economy grading.

Insider2 · February 20, 2018 12:29PM

@pocketpiececommems said:
How long does it take? Good question. Bought a circ 1935-d in a PCGS holder that said it was cleaned. It didn't look cleaned so I cracked it out and sent it back for grading. It came back as Counterfeit. So I guess that all of their graders don't know Counterfeits. Cost me $125 for the coin and then additional for grading fees.

Yeah, great story. Now if you want me to believe it let's all see this 1935-D S$1 that was slabbed as a cleaned genuine coin and then called counterfeit when sent in again "raw."

WoodenJefferson · February 20, 2018 12:31PM

Historically speaking, if there is ANY suspicion that the coin is 'not genuine' it will be returned to you as "Questionable authenticity" or "Refund, no decision"

jwitten · February 20, 2018 12:45PM

I think this thread has the record for random disagrees

Kkathyl · February 20, 2018 12:51PM

I have a 1901 O in a 3rd grade holder, if I wanted a 2nd opion on it I would not crack it out first. That was not a good move. What is the cert# I would love to take a look at that coin.

mvs7 · February 20, 2018 12:52PM

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

I think you mean older

bronco2078 · February 20, 2018 1:00PM

@jwitten said:
I think this thread has the record for random disagrees

are including billdugan disagrees? technically those go in a different category

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 1:16PM

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

You'll soon find out one way or the other. Good luck!

PS: Don't go shopping for a Ferrari yet.

Lol the 3 isn't off so if anything it had to be restruck

MorganMan94 · February 20, 2018 1:31PM

@jwitten said:
I think this thread has the record for random disagrees

Not even close.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/970727/disagree/p1

stevek · February 20, 2018 1:35PM

@mvs7 said:

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

I think you mean older

You're right - I was thinking along the lines of a plastic surgeon and what they do, trying to make a 48 year old look 43 or younger. LOL

ChrisH821 · February 20, 2018 1:42PM

https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees

If it is real, big congrats to you!

stevek · February 20, 2018 1:44PM

@Gotgoodsman said:

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

You'll soon find out one way or the other. Good luck!

PS: Don't go shopping for a Ferrari yet.

Lol the 3 isn't off so if anything it had to be restruck

Well at least you put some research into it, unlike most who get excited over finding a copper plated 1943 cent and think they've hit the lottery.

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 1:52PM

I have pictures on my other phone iPhone battery charger broke so I can't access the pics. I will try to get them for people maybe they can tell. But the coin dealer couldn't tell and he held it in his hands

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 2:23PM

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:

@stevek said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
1943 copper not magnetic and weighs 3.11

Could be a 1948 Lincoln that has been to the "coin doctor" to make it appear younger.

You'll soon find out one way or the other. Good luck!

PS: Don't go shopping for a Ferrari yet.

Lol the 3 isn't off so if anything it had to be restruck

Well at least you put some research into it, unlike most who get excited over finding a copper plated 1943 cent and think they've hit the lottery

Yeah I'm not getting my hopes up but the time I've waited is making me hope. I sent a coin to them before and it only took 3 days for them to notify me it was shipped back because it was fake

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 2:27PM

Here is a link to pictures
1943 copper penny non magnetic. Is it fake? https://imgur.com/gallery/HzPTf

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 2:29PM

@FredWeinberg said:
It's easy to counterfeit -

The proper weight of 3.1 grams
isn't the authentication point -
copper type 2 planchets are very
easy to find; they've been used
for decades to make fake '43's.

Any story as to where you got it?

Did you take any photos of it before you
submitted it?

1943 copper penny non magnetic. Is it fake? https://imgur.com/gallery/HzPTf

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 2:32PM

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@Gotgoodsman said:
Just wondering how long it takes them to let you know if a coin turns out to be fake. I sent a valuable coin and today is 19 business days. It seems real but I'm wondering if it isn't real would they know right away? I sent on economy grading service

next time post some pics. plenty of counterfeit detection talent around here.
.

1943 copper penny non magnetic. Is it fake? https://imgur.com/gallery/HzPTf

FredWeinberg · February 20, 2018 2:34PM

THAT coin in the link just above is a fake/counterfeit.

The fact that your coin, or this one, is non-magnetic,
and weighs 3.1 grams means very very very little.

(yes, it's two authentication points, but means nothing
as far as it being authentic with those two points only)

We can probably tell immediately if you have a good
photo of it.

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 2:38PM

@FredWeinberg said:
THAT coin in the link just above is a fake/counterfeit.

The fact that your coin, or this one, is non-magnetic,
and weighs 3.1 grams means very very very little.

(yes, it's two authentication points, but means nothing
as far as it being authentic with those two points only)

We can probably tell immediately if you have a good
photo of it.

That is my coin. How can you tell it's fake

davewesen · February 20, 2018 2:39PM

@Insider2 said:

@pocketpiececommems said:
How long does it take? Good question. Bought a circ 1935-d in a PCGS holder that said it was cleaned. It didn't look cleaned so I cracked it out and sent it back for grading. It came back as Counterfeit. So I guess that all of their graders don't know Counterfeits. Cost me $125 for the coin and then additional for grading fees.

Yeah, great story. Now if you want me to believe it let's all see this 1935-D S$1 that was slabbed as a cleaned genuine coin and then called counterfeit when sent in again "raw."

Insider, great comment, how can you tell it was a silver dollar?
pocketpiececommems, the slab could also have been a counterfeit and PCGS never saw coin nor slab before.
Gotgoodsman, the last economy I did was around a month and a half

lkeigwin · February 20, 2018 2:39PM

stevek · February 20, 2018 2:42PM

Looks like it's already been thru a few test runs.

lkeigwin · February 20, 2018 2:42PM

Steel for comparison.
Lance.

lkeigwin · February 20, 2018 2:56PM

How did you acquire it? Found in change? Bought somewhere? Just curious. Maybe you'd rather not say.
Lance.

Insider2 · February 20, 2018 2:58PM

@davewesen said:

@Insider2 said:

@pocketpiececommems said:
How long does it take? Good question. Bought a circ 1935-d in a PCGS holder that said it was cleaned. It didn't look cleaned so I cracked it out and sent it back for grading. It came back as Counterfeit. So I guess that all of their graders don't know Counterfeits. Cost me $125 for the coin and then additional for grading fees.

Yeah, great story. Now if you want me to believe it let's all see this 1935-D S$1 that was slabbed as a cleaned genuine coin and then called counterfeit when sent in again "raw."

Insider, great comment, how can you tell it was a silver dollar?
pocketpiececommems, the slab could also have been a counterfeit and PCGS never saw coin nor slab before.
Gotgoodsman, the last economy I did was around a month and a half

I know it is a silver dollar because I'm a Second Order Green Smoke mystical psychic with a modern telephone connection.

FredWeinberg · February 20, 2018 3:17PM

I can tell it's a counterfeit
from just looking a the photos of it.

It doesn't have the right striking
characteristics, the right surfaces,
and the double rim is another sign.

Sorry......

Gotgoodsman · February 20, 2018 3:30PM

@FredWeinberg said:
I can tell it's a counterfeit
from just looking a the photos of it.

It doesn't have the right striking
characteristics, the right surfaces,
and the double rim is another sign.

Sorry......

I've seen real 43's w a double rim because copper is softer than steal. Thanks for the opinion

FredWeinberg · February 20, 2018 3:35PM

Genuine 'double rims' have nothing to do with copper
vrs. steel. They have nothing to do with the metal content
of a coin.

I can tell you don't believe that I can tell it's counterfeit -

No problem - you're not the first one with a 1943 Copper
colored cent with the right weight that's told me that.
(the 'thanks for the opinion')

Be patient - you'll get your results from PCGS soon enough.

Jcld · February 20, 2018 3:36PM

Where did you acquire this coin?

If it's a fake coin does pcgs know immedietly

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