For the "accumulator" types of collectors....moving?
Bochiman
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It's all good and dandy to collect what you like, and to be simple in your collection. I actually enjoy raw ikes, and other raw coins. I even enjoy the mint sets and proof sets and ASEs.
However, I've noticed that, especially on the lower cost items (items I don't keep in the bank SDB but locked up at home instead as, if I lost them, it would suck but they would be replaceable very easily), the volume can build up.
So, when you move, have you found yourself boxing them all up, or trying to sort things out and letting a lot of it go?
Cashing in those SHQs, Ikes, etc.....maybe selling, for pennies on the dollar so to speak, those mint sets and proof sets?
For a few years, I was getting special orders of Ikes from the banks...just for fun and tips and such. Haven't dug into those for awhile though. Was thinking "man....just another heavy little box.....would I move it with me or take to the bank and piss them off?"
Same with SHQs and Prez bucks. And, lots of loose little wheat cents (may have someone interested in those already though).
What do others do? Have you thought about it?
They are taxing us to the hilt where I live....transit taxes, taxes for homeless, taxes for utilities to use right of ways and that will be passed on to the rest of us, statewide school tax as punishment they said for not adequately funding the schools, taxes for multiple school levies and bonds, soda taxes, trying to push in an income tax in a state that hasn't had one, etc etc etc.
Property taxes, alone, are going up for many people this year another 20-30%+
So, thinking of moving in a few years, when our son is in college, but, if so, then I have to downsize stuff.
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I got a bunch of that stuff, but a couple of heavy duty Home Depot boxes and I was good. Some people have more problems than others...
(H/T Wheat Cent Hoard)
@mvs7 that picture is from one of my all time favorite threads.
Mine too.
I should've scrolled down and found the pic of the Ferrari next to all the cans...
Ron,
I hear you. I had a small flood of the down stairs. The junk takes up a lot of space. Mint packaging, blue boxes, 1960 to 1972 proof sets brown box Ikes. What was i thinking. Oh and the more they tax us the more that are homeless. All I can say is, can J before its too late and a carbon tax.
Glad to see you posting even if it is a rant
Martin
I recognize that state! Luckily, I live in Idaho (what my Seattle friends call the Issaquah/Sammamish area). Still King County, unfortunately, so I can pay for light rail every year... it's supposed to be available around here in the 2040s. Maybe.
mvs7 ..... you aren't far from me, and just waiting for this year's increase in property taxes ... and the LWSD levies and bond. "It's for the children!!!!"
I seriously want/need out of this area...I like a lot about it, but the way those in charge keep doing things (and I haven't voted for a damn one of them...just that my vote doesn't matter in this area), they won't stop until everyone is either homeless or paying 100% in taxes.
So, I am planning on ~2 years maybe and trying to think ahead....and what to keep and what not to keep.
The half-cents, my son's Roosevelt dimes, and some of the others...that are all PCGS/certified, will be kept.
The raw stuff that I enjoy....well, I think that may have to go. That sucks. I enjoy, a couple of times a year, pulling out the mint sets or grabbing a handful of ikes (a la Scrooge McDuck and his money pit...though I have nowhere near that amount).
Had planned to stay here another 6+ years, but not with those that hold the power screwing everyone over.
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I've worked hard to blow out the majority of that type of 'stuff' over the last ~5 years. We moved 4 years ago, and I've got the situation down to a single drawer, but I'd be happier with less.
I know what you mean Bochiman. I was lucky enough to move from a place just like that to Indiana, I save 4-5000 a year. I sympathise with you for what it's worth.
After moving, my wife and I have a saying " one truck, not two". We lived in a home for 20 years, no kids. Somehow we had enough for two moving trucks, I don't know how it happened. Purge and don't feel bad. Maybe save 5 mint and 5 proof sets or figure out something like that. I had more boxes of coin stuff - books, holders, proof and mint sets, etc than I realized. I have 3 sections now: Save Sell Give away.
Where are you going to go that's any different?
As you get older you will be requiring more services, if you move to a cheaper state you'll pay more for lesser quality services.
After dealing with my Dad's passing and thoughts on selling their house (and ours, eventually), I started having the same thoughts....... Besides going through hordes of paperwork & old momentos, etc, what will I do with my meager collection? Will the kids want it? Will they want to move their part from apartment to apartment to house to house (and/or SDB's) as they go thru life, or do "things" not mean quite as much to them as they did to our generation? And I'm not sure what the answer is, other than to maybe start working now to get rid of the non-essential "clutter" (and realize I'll probably take a loss on much of it) vs saddling them with the chore on top of everything else?
@Bochiman Don't come to CT, we already have those taxes and a bunch more you couldn't even dream up!
A lot of collectors have the same issue. I find that every month or two I try to sell items to keep the size of my collection down. Whether it be duplicates, coins I just bought for cheap to flip or a solo cup of wheaties, I try to sell/list items every 6 weeks or so. It also helps to sell items to help upgrade or have extra funds for a nicer item.
I sold a bunch of that stuff when I moved two years ago. For a while I felt a little bad about the meager check I received. But I don't miss it at all anymore. And the money has long since been ploughed into a few quality coins. I'd vote for purge while you still can get something for it.
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Dave - yeah....I think the largely rising taxes, and the excuses they are giving for it, are the main trigger, but having been working through my mother's estate the past 8 months, and finally selling most of the stuff (that no one in the family wanted....I still have boxes and boxes in my living room) and her mobile home house this past month, I don't want to have THAT much stuff that isn't worth anything to anyone else. And, let's face it, raw circ Ikes, SHQs, modern mint sets and proof sets, all fit that bill (along with a lot of the other crap people being in houses over a decade+ will accumulate).
When we move, I want to get into the "1 truck, not 2 trucks" mindset that was mentioned above.
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@Bochiman - I get it and agree with you. I have a kindergartner in LWSD, so I'll be here a while. Having grown up in CA, my perspective on WA is still mixed; more frustrated than angry most days. That'll change if they pass a state income tax. and was recently tested when the city wouldn't let me take down an early-stage diseased tree on my own property. Magnanimously, they gave me "permission" turn it into a snag (i.e., totem pole for woodpeckers) or just trim it. Ridiculous. We moved from Issaquah to Sammamish a few years back and took a hard look at all of our possessions to see what we could do without. If it stayed in a moving box for a year after the move, it was likely donated, sold, or trashed. Somehow, no numismatic-related item in the house was purged, except for a few non-vintage, non-current Redbooks. ;-)
Wow! I live in "unincorporated"....probably 10-15m from you. I was worried about the tree stuff as well but researched it and found that I could take down 4-5 trees per year with no permit and no ask (I took some down due to danger and due to rot). I have heard about Redmond and some of the other cities, that have gotten draconian on what is allowed and the cost of permits.
I "lived" in CA for a couple of years (SF and Presidio of Monterrey) back in the 80s. Cool then. Wouldn't do it now. Even "visiting" southern CA, for my son's sports, is more than enough. Like the weather. Hate almost all the rest.
I'm kind of getting the same way about the "in a box for too long" bit....even with some of the coins.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
MVS & Bochiman the eastsiders are not voting for our states leaders. I blame you west siders for our states problems
The last time I voted for a WA governor that won, they just recounted the vote twice until he lost.
One word....... rigged
With inflation even if the coins hold their current nominal value, there will be a depreciation in real value. I would cherry pick the mint sets and proof sets and sell the rest. Ditto for rolled coins. I would even dump all lower valued slabbed stuff and only keep the best stuff personally. When moving, “less is more.”
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but still have way too much coin "stuff"... guess I'll have to move again to force some action. On the plus side, a $20 pasta sauce jar of wheats makes an excellent doorstop, and I have quite a few doors.
I could do that, too, up until about six months ago: six trees per year up to a certain diameter without a permit, bigger diameters with a rarely-contested permit. Then, a bunch of people complained that developers were gaming the system, so they put a moratorium on everyone, except for certified arborist-approved imminent hazards. I have my chainsaw ready for the first day that moratorium is lifted.
That is crazy. What if a tree is damaged in a storm and poses an immediate danger to safety or property (i.e. large portion of the tree dangling over your drive way)? Do you still need to wait for a certified arborist?
@cameonut2011 - apparently in that case you can get a tree service to deal with it while applying for an emergency permit with photos via email. As long as your request is in before you start chopping, you are fine. But if it's not an immediate danger, tree services will make you get the permit first + arborist report to CYA against possible fines.
Ditto, except, due to being in the military years ago, I haven't been around, at voting age, when we have had a good governor
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Mine are too big (around and height) for me to do that, save for a few. I'm not a logger, even though I have seen some on TV
Takes the pros about 2-3 hours per tree when I have them do it. Add to that that I have a septic system they need to be careful around, and, while expensive, it is cheaper than the $20k+ damage I had done about 6 years ago during a windy rainstorm.
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@Bochiman - yep, all the "small" no-permit-required trees that I didn't want around anymore aren't around anymore. My main issue now are a bunch of 60-90 foot second growth big leaf maples that are rotting from the top down... no way I'm doing that removal myself. Mind you, even if I eventually get rid of those, I still probably have another 25 trees (mix of maple/cedar/fir) on the property (0.8 acres) that are 50+ feet, so it's not like I'm trying to clearcut or anything.
There's always New Salem @Bochiman
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Numismatic hoarding is a tricky old dog.
We enjoyed our visits to Seattle and the San Juan islands - had great weather both times. We even considered retiring there UNTIL we saw the taxes. They were on the list for about 10 nanoseconds.
I understand your pain and the desire to keep more of your own money.
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I wanted to move as far out as Harold but my wife wouldn’t let me.
One advantage of the military lifestyle is it keeps some of the bulk down. That said, with two on active duty, we did have an awfully large weight allowance. Going overseas meant long term storage--but who wants to risk that? If it didn't fit in the SDB, then some went to the in-laws (they allowed a split shipment to home of record) for the delicate stuff--so that was an airtight plastic bin with tons of dessicant for the medals, and one fireproof safe for the in between stuff (and all stuff with Intercept if worthy). However bulky mint set types of things were not easy to hang onto. It's harder now we have a 'forever home'---but at least it's in a reasonable area with a great balance of services and taxes.
One thing to think about is a combination of two things.
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1. The Japanese 'Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' (Marie Kondo) where you pretty much dump 'anything that doesn't spark joy'. Personally I'd hang onto work clothes, tax paperwork, and medications anyway
Getting rid of things that just clutter up your living space or mental space is pretty liberating. Even if you don't get what you think stuff is worth monetarily, the intangible benefits are there.
But I really like the idea of growing a replacement collector.
What has happened to Washington State is a shame.... the urban areas (Seattle, Tacoma) were always bad... and they hammer the elections.... So sad to hear all the taxes now.... I consulted in Redmond for few months a year or so ago.... could not believe the toll bridge etc.... Overall, Ron, downsizing is a good idea... I have been thinking about it.... Things get out of hand.... we just seem to keep 'acquiring'... looks like a couple of big yard sales this summer... Cheers, RickO
Until I finally start clearing stuff out, I'll accept any U.S. & Canadian stuff people want to rid themselves of!
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Hi Bochi, I hope this response finds you well. I seem to struggle with the same question as you but have to date just continued to accumulate. The expensive stuff is in the bank, and the remainder doesn't take up that much space. Take care...Mike
When the time comes to move i will find a way to move the "junk" part of my collection. Going through mint sets and loose coins looking for variety's will be part of my retirement fun. Retirement is when I plan on doing all the things I don't have the time do now, especially with coins.
Seattle will tax the HOLY HELL out of poor soda pop drinkers, but they'll open their doors to you if you mainline heroin. Upside down. They've had a string of the dumbest Mayors you can imagine. Last one got bounced out because he was a accused of being a pedophile. One of the most messed up cities around when it comes to politics. Complete mess, and it's spreading! I've lived in the Great NW my entire life (currently in Redmond), but I'm not sure how much more I can take. Sad...
Dave
I am reading this thread in disbelief. They actually won't let you cut down a tree on the land that you own? Is your property in a subdivision with restrictions or is this for everyone? I can't even imagine them trying to do that where I live. Those making the BS laws would be run out of office. I have cut about 30 trees on my property in the last 6 months and dropped one today.
Back on topic, reference the accumulation.
When I am anointed GRAND HIGH MUCKITY MUCK of the USA, one of my 1st executive orders will be 1 or 2 times, every 10 years, unannounced, you will have 8 hours to move everything you want to keep at least 1 mile, with no powered equipemnt (cars, trucks, tractors, etc.) and just the people who live there can help.
After that, the place is burned.
It will sure cut down on the clutter.
My mom (heavily) and my dad (not as much) were hoarders. Not on TV show hoarders, but you could see it from there. They though it was a joke when they asked me what would I do if they died in a plane crash, and I said the 1st thing was to have an industrial sized dumpster put on the driveway, or make a secret call to the CIA that Bin Laden was hiding in the house and send some F16's with a rack of GBU's.
I got to clean out my sister and her husband's place when they died unexpectedly (Major league hoarders) and I SERIOUSLY thought about my good friend Mr. Napalm. It was always good to me when Uncle Sam called my number.
It has affected my children, all in the 20's to mid 30's. We had a little update the wills action at Christmas, since they are all adults now (No need for the Who takes the kids part of the wills, etc.). We asked for a list of everything they wanted specifically ID's in our wills.
The Shelby GT500, my SnapOn tool set, 3 paintings, 2 pieces of jewelry.
So much for my junk being significant.
Bochiman:
Brace yourself - just got my tax bill - ouch! Between that and the loss of ability to write off 2/3 of it (and sales taxes) on federal taxes, this year was a real bust.
I've been slowly downsizing. It takes time if you don't want to lose money in a fire sale so better to start sooner than later. I have a ton of old English Ironstone that the younger generation has no desire for and the older generation is selling. Same with Old Sleepy Eye pottery.
It's taking me a month to list a double row of duplicate sample slabs! The core sample collection will be a headliner HA auction some day.......
A couple of years ago we retired, bought a motor home and started to see some of this wonderful country we live in. I started with 2 complete storage bins full of coins. Several hundred proof sets, same mint sets, 26 double row long boxes for 2x2's, 8 ammo cans. Talking about a need to downsize. Somewhere along the line I came to the same realization most of you have. Now I have 2 PCGS blue boxes and I NGC red box and 2 small short 6 inch single row flip boxes and they aren't full, and I'm trying to figure out what else I need to lose. No more Ebay as their fees are too high (13%), no more stacks auction etc with 20% fees. I would rather offer a few items to collectors on the boards who will appreciate the same things I do than make someone else who has no love of our history and collecting rich with high priced auction fees. Most of my family members are waiting until I pass on into Numisheaven to get to my coins so they can sell them and buy a new car. Not going to happen!!!!!!! I'm going to trade/buy/sell looking for something of beauty I can enjoy holding and looking at with the realization its mine and the journey to make it mine was worth the trip.
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I've always high graded my numismatic collection to never be larger than one breafcase
Outside of silver bullion, when that gets over a certain weight it gets traded to gold.