1922 "Plain" Cent... Illustrated in Breen Encyclopedia..."EDIT to add pictures".
Rosco
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I have always wanted to see that coins reverse, and color pictures, of both sides.
Has anyone ever seen it ?... know its pedigree ?... own it ?
Is it part of the National collection ?
It just strikes me as being one of the last ones made...end of mintage... MS, as compared
to many others illustrated out there on the web and in books.
Thank you for any knowledge or help,
David
EDIT to add:
In reading the summarized ANACS scenario in QDB's Lincoln cent book, about how the 1922 plain
with strong reverse came to be, "massive die clashes" resulting in a destroyed reverse, then replaced with a
fresh one, and continuing on with obverse #30, AKA die pair 2 strong reverse.
This obverse seems to compare almost exactly with the Breen picture to me, and also seems to be right
in line with the ANACS scenario with a destroyed reverse, before replacement, and the second 2 being
re-punched creating the strong second 2, and the complete effacing of the D.
IMHO...
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
Comments
nope, Breen never told most of his sources.
BHNC #203
I always thought the picture in the Breen book was one of the best I ever saw of a 22-Plain.
Pete
You guys made me look! LOL
A fair number of pictures in the Breen Encyclopedia were taken from Bowers and Ruddy auctions from the 1970s. I have an 1803 half dime that was plated and sold as part of the “Dr. Caldwell Collection” half dimes. I don’t think that any of those pictures can be seen on the Internet.
The photo might be all right but it is pretty sloppy cataloging work ... equating two totally different reverses which also show different "lettering peculiarities" on the obverses.
Kind regards,
George
Me too! Good photo.
Kind regards,
George
I made inquiries about the old B&R, B&M, ANR catalog photos and only a few ANR photos were available. Considering the work required in getting good photos with film, it's a shame the negatives were not retained even if they were put in a trunk in QDB's attic.
This is worthless without pictures
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Well... we need to get in touch with QDB and get him to clean out his attic.
Surely they are somewhere, like you said, film would be challenging for sure.
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
I didn't want to infringe on someone's photography, by taking a picture and
posting it, since it cant be found on the web anywhere.
That is what I was hoping for, was someone having pictures of the Breen 1922 coin.
I will "Edit" and add a few pictures of my 1922 cent.
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
Obsolete B&W film was often recycled for silver content - especially if there was a large quantity or if it were high-silver such as X-ray film. Color negatives and slides contain no silver and were commonly thrown away.
I couldn't agree more.
It just has that look... that's why I want to see the reverse so bad, strong or mushy ?
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
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@Rosco
Just found it on PCGSCoinFacts.com.
It is the MS-65 RB and also the MS-65+ RB. It was also formerly NGC 65 Red sold by Heritage in April 2001 for $49,450. Seemed to look more red in that sales pics than current ones, but may just be lighting.
The key identifiers are the toning streaks going up and down from the 9. Also the streak between the B and E in LIBERTY. Then there is a mark on the rim around 5 o'clock among a few lesser identifying points.
Don't know where it is now or where it was before 2001. Have not seen it, though I was at the 2001 Central States show and recall it was on the cover of the auction catalog.
All PCGSCoinFacts.com 1922 RB photos:
pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinImages.aspx?s=3286
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The Heritage April 2001 auction link:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-cents/1922-1c-no-d-strev-rd/a/256-5908.s?hdnJumpToLot=1x=0&y=0
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Rosco..........that looks like the Breen coin. Notice the obverse strike. The coin has all the PUPs for a 22 Plain strong reverse. The strike is "arguably" the best I've seen with the strong reverse.
That obverse die must have wore down very quickly and got mushy real fast! IMHOP you just do not see an obverse like that on this variety.
I think the coin is probably worth every cent it was purchased for.
Disagree? Please post why.
Pete
@WinLoseWin
YOU ROCK !!! Thank you very very much !!!
What an impressive coin it is.... 65 + WOW
Super Strong reverse and gorgeous all the way around.
Thanks again,
David
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
I absolutely think it is, and I agree with all of your comments.
QDB's 2008 Lincoln book has a 65RB @ $87,500 and population of 7
No wonder I liked it so much.... in Black and White no less.
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
Makes me wonder where all the negatives are that ANACS used to make the Photo Certificates! Wonder if they were sold with the authentication service (three different owners?).
Great looking coin. I notice that a pcgs65rb sold for $80k+ at Superior that same year
WOW... what a beautiful coin... the best I have ever seen!
RE: "Makes me wonder where all the negatives are that ANACS used to make the Photo Certificates! Wonder if they were sold with the authentication service (three different owners?."
This info should be in the ANA contract of sale to Amos Press, and then in the sale of ANACS by Amos Press. Present ANACS ownership might know, also.
The ANA continued to run an authentication bureau after selling ANACS. I would have guessed they had at least kept copies.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin