Help with Shield Nickel Variety 1867 No Rays

dbldie55 · February 3, 2018 8:48AM

Does not look like one of he Cherry Picker varieties, and Fletcher has over 60 listed and not all have images.

Walkerguy21D · February 3, 2018 9:00AM

From what I can see from the image, the '1' looks to be clearly repunched, where the other numerals appear to have machine doubling (as does the 1 also, along with the shield). So I would focus on the variety(ies) with the repunched 1, as well as that distinctive die break.

Howards would be able to help, and here is the link to his variety listings:

http://shieldnickels.net/

Treashunt · February 3, 2018 1:09PM

I agree with @Walkerguy21D

Raybo · February 3, 2018 2:50PM

@Walkerguy21D said:
From what I can see from the image, the '1' looks to be clearly repunched, where the other numerals appear to have machine doubling (as does the 1 also, along with the shield). So I would focus on the variety(ies) with the repunched 1, as well as that distinctive die break.

Howards would be able to help, and here is the link to his variety listings:

http://shieldnickels.net/

Beat me to the punch Greg, but I could not find any info about the OP's coin.
Maybe this is a job for the man himself.

CaptHenway · February 3, 2018 4:09PM

I too agree with WalkerGuy.

There are so many great die varieties in the SHield nickel series, this one would not merit a mention in CPG.

howards · February 3, 2018 8:42PM

As others have said, this is an RPD 1 north and the rest is strike doubling.

There are scads of uncatalogued minor RPDs for shield nickels (I know because I attribute new ones all the time). Some of them are so similar to each other that one needs to look at closeups of the entire coin looking for die markers to make an identification. For 1867, the shape of the hand-engraved leaf is also key (rightmost leaf on the top right cluster).

I do not see an RPD with a matching die crack in my records. Either the coin is uncatalogued or I have catalogued an earlier die state. If you want to post enlarged photos of the full obverse and reverse, I'll try to attribute it.

I also don't see a matching die crack in Fletcher. Fletcher does have photos of all the dies in the text - just not enough of them to always make an accurate attribution.

Not intended as a commercial - just information: You can read about my shield nickel attribution guide here:
http://www.shieldnickels.net/snv/snv.html

Raybo · February 3, 2018 9:13PM

@CaptHenway said:
I too agree with WalkerGuy.

There are so many great die varieties in the SHield nickel series, this one would not merit a mention in CPG.

Infinite number of attributions for the Shield Nickel series and that's why I bailed and left Howards to figure it all out.
I'm going to work on the die cracks.....oh wait! I don't have that many years left!

howards · February 3, 2018 11:02PM

It only seems like an infinite number of shield nickel varieties. Add up the mintages for all years of shield nickels, divide by 10000, and you have a good ceiling on the maximum number of varieties.

The math is left as an exercise for the reader. ;-)

mannie gray · February 3, 2018 11:42PM

@howards said:
It only seems like an infinite number of shield nickel varieties. Add up the mintages for all years of shield nickels, divide by 10000, and you have a good ceiling on the maximum number of varieties.

The math is left as an exercise for the reader. ;-)

Shield Nickels are so much fun!
I just don't understand why they don't generate the enthusiasm that some other series do....

ricko · February 4, 2018 8:27AM

Good picture of the detail... It would be interesting to see the full coin... Cheers, RickO

dbldie55 · February 4, 2018 2:16PM

Thanks for the responses. Upon review, I see Fletcher does have images of all listed varieties. While I don't think there are an infinite number of varieties, I do believe it is a large percentage of that.

Here is an obverse/reverse image.

Walkerguy21D · February 4, 2018 6:32PM

Pretty cool - guessing the obverse die broke not long after striking this specimen!

howards · February 4, 2018 11:36PM

A large percentage of infinity is still infinity. :-)

Thanks for posting the full photos. I am able to confirm that this variety is not listed. If you would like to get it listed, it looks to me like you are well capable of taking the necessary photos. Directions for the photos I need are here:

http://www.shieldnickels.net/snv4/manual/contributing.html

My email address is at the bottom of the website in my sig.

mannie gray · February 5, 2018 12:20AM

Cool find @dbldie55 !

Help with Shield Nickel Variety 1867 No Rays

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