1924 $20 St Gaudens PCGS MS-65 on eBay
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This is what happens when you have a buyer that's drunk and a seller with access to a 3-d printer:
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And no CAC approval to boot!
"A sharply struck 1924 Saint Gaudens $20 Gold graded MS 65 by PCGS."
Quality from "duck5869". The gold duck, "quack!".
Seller has 99%+ positive fb & has sold a fair number of "PCGS St. Gaudens $20s" fairly recently, 7 during the past month and 9 more during the past 6 months. All Saints, no other types of coins, all MS.
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
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Quack he must of been on Quack
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His NGC one looks okay--cert # checks out too as do some of the slab details. Maybe he was selling a stash (notice I didn't say 'his stash'). Did the other PCGS ones look as bad as the one in the linked auction?
https://ebay.com/itm/1927-20-Saint-Gaudens-NGC-MS-65/273030782590?hash=item3f91e71e7e:g:5oAAAOSws5BaYKJY
This listing has ended
Wow, it was still live when I posted it.
eBay really hurts our industry allowing fake coins/holders to be listed and sold. Sure, some of them are caught, but many are not.
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Listing ended.... sure does not look MS65, cert checks out... What am I missing?? Cheers, RickO
All aspects fake. Holder/label/coin.
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@ianrussell ....Thank you... I had the coin as suspect... but did not pick up on the holder and label. Cheers, RickO
Those fake coins in fake PCGS holders are available in quantity on certain Chinese based websites with no apparent concern from the US government.
Seems like even a novice seller would notice the difference as they have sold several apparently real ones looking at their sold listings.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I am not so sure he 3-D printed that whole coin, slab, and label. His other sold gold looks legit.
Sure, but those are Chinese websites - more difficult to stop in a foreign country. It's crazy to me that the U.S. government aren't focused on eBay, which is a U.S. corporation.
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Actually, the number checks, but, the barcode doesn't match. Use your barcode reader or manually read the barcode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleaved_2_of_5
True. Though if they were selling fake US paper money on those sights, I think there would be a US government response. It does seem there would be some leverage with Ebay as opposed to waiting for other users to report items. Is it possible to report the closed auction to Ebay?
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
RE: "eBay really hurts our industry allowing fake coins/holders to be listed and sold. Sure, some of them are caught, but many are not."
It is the coin industry/hobby that hurts itself by not aggressively prosecuting every counterfeiter and seller of this junk. ANA - the collectors' official representative - does nothing. Other coin groups also sit on their hands or lament that government doesn't do something -- Well, folks, there are laws that permit individuals and companies to bring a complaint and recover damages. The Hobby Protection Act has teeth -- but honest coin people have to do the biting!
That was a weird, one, even a nearly blind person would have spotted it as a fake. There should be a penalty for fake items listed like that, like a 1% of item cost collected to pay a worker to interdict fraud like this. A slap on the wrist offers no deterrent.
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Didn't PCGS testify in front of Congress a while back? What good was that?
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It looks like lady liberty was wearing one of those vintage goalie masks.
Ahh, yes --- that was when Tycho Brahe was goalie for the Penguins or Capitals
My scanner doesn't do well on the picture, does pick up about half the barcode and it certainly doesn't match the printed cert number.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
You are 100% correct. Translating just the 1st and 2nd numbers of the code, you get:
1. NWNNW = 2
2. NWWNW =no such thing
PS: Do you agree that blitzdude is a great guy?
You can see the chocolate leaking through the foil wrapper on the right side of the obverse, it's a crack and eat IMHO.
The listing has been removed by eBay. Hopefully the buyer didn't pay. All the other counterfeit coins/slabs by duck5869 have also been removed.