Coin collecting and a line of self defense.
Jimnight
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First we should know we are not protecting are Coins, Guns, Antiques, Jewelry, Base ball cards, Cameras, or any collectibles, we are protecting our right to life...that's what self defense means, " to protect yourself. "
So to get this thread moving I would like to start by saying the first line of defense would be to be vigilant as to what you say about your collectibles...to whom you say it to... and where you are when your saying it.
Bad people have many faces...eyes...and ears.
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Thats why I have my Killer Dog Izzy she will rip any throat Need I say more! !
Yes sir, The dog...There's a reason the our armed forces and law enforcement have and use dogs, even a small dog can alert a person to a visitor or a threat... that can give you the time to either call 911 or if need be defend your self.
I agree a line of defense is tight lips, and not sharing photos of treasures online would be sage advise, but darn it, I "like" the feedback!
With technology as it is today it's pretty easy to install exterior cameras and be able to watch your home from afar. You can do the same with the interior if you'd like. This would be a good fit with dogs and safes.
Guns are only for when you are inside and the perp wants to join you....good luck with that.
bob
I have the Ring Video Doorbell plus that floodlight that has a camera and speaker so I can see & talk to any burglars on my phone. I'm good..
...the absolute best line of defense for a coin collection is to collect only moderns...non-gold and raw of course...openly discuss it while in public, and frequently...maybe toss in that you often throw away dupes when you find better looking/shinier pieces in circulation...that’s all folks
AUandAG said
With technology as it is today it's pretty easy to install exterior cameras and be able to watch your home from afar. You can do the same with the interior if you'd like. This would be a good fit with dogs and safes.
Excellent line of defense...I personally know people who have this technology and they tell me they swear by it.
There is always someone home and everyone is a active member of the NRA and related activities. Our biggest debate is usually about who offers the best line of defense between S&W, Colt, and Sig.
@WildIdea said
I agree a line of defense is tight lips, and not sharing photos of treasures online would be sage advise, but darn it, I "like" the feedback!
People forget about the pursuit of happiness.
CCGGG said
There is always someone home and everyone is a active member of the NRA and related activities. Our biggest debate is usually about who offers the best line of defense between S&W, Colt, and Sig.
And let's not forget Kimber or Glock.
I am disappointed Beretta has been left out of this discussion.
When the gunshots end the problems are just beginning.
Home security must consist of 'layers'. First is perimeter security... doors, windows, levels, lights, cameras.
Second is interior... layout, camera's, safe, alarms, weapons. Third is personal.... training, skill maintenance, plans for emergencies. Cover these areas, with quality systems, materials and skills and you will be relatively safe. Cheers, RickO
All worth being included in such a debate, along with a few others. (especially Kimber)
another layer is not announcing your security in public
Agreed, I never talk about the location of my underground bunker.
What Security? And yes the dog woke me at 4:30 this morning.
And yes it was the neighbors in the gated community I live in going to work. But being I was up I did find a coin on David Lawrence RC that will end up in the Safety Deposit Box with my others after I image for online display.
And yes it was one of the one year types the 1853 Arrows & Rays Quarter, Little sister to my Icon coin.
@291fifth said
When the gunshots end the problems are just beginning.
I am assuming we are referring to a break in... for your coins or other collectibles...and your life is on the line. You can look at that 2 ways...and ask yourself...which would I perfer...
8 pallbearsers or 12 jurors ?
@LindeDad said
What Security? And yes the dog woke me at 4:30 this morning.
You just said it...the dog woke you up...after that it's up to you... if you feel things are not right and/or suspicious call 911...if it's a raccoon in the garage can go back to bed.
My brother recently completed a concealed carry course in Illinois, one of the most stringent in the nation. One of the other people in the class had previously actually used his gun to defend himself. He was completely in the right ... but oh, the problems and expense.
Don't let others know you collect coins or have guns at home as both are major draws for thieves. IF you have people in your home doing work don't leave any books or other publications relating to either coins or guns visible. (Let alone the coins or guns themselves.)
@291fifth said
My brother recently completed a concealed carry course in Illinois, one of the most stringent in the nation. One of the other people in the class had previously actually used his gun to defend himself. He was completely in the right ... but oh, the problems and expense.
But your brothers classmate is alive to share his/her ordeal and educate others.
As for the second part of your reply...I agree with you 100%.
If someone puts a weapon to your families head, your gonna open the safe. Why stack a huge target right next to one ones you love the most.
Yes! Indeed! If every line of my defense is crossed and my collection is stolen I'll know in advance it's not a coin collector or dealer. I'm thinking that since I always show people my safety deposit box keys and the banks have thick steel doors they aren't going to burn up so I'll probably be OK in any eventuality. It costs a small fortune to keep the coins for so long this way but they're probably worth more than their keep.
Oh, I rarely throw away any of my coins. They're mostly all legal tender so they go to into circulation.
8 pallbearers??? I've been a pallbearer a number of times and we only had 6...
I really don't ever want to shot anyone but I will defend myself, my family and property. But to answer your question to which I prefer. I remember in one of my CHL classes the instructor asked a similar question and then he said, personally, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Made a lot of sense to me.
My wife and I installed these front and rear seat car alarms and they work great! Of course, on a long distance trip, it does get a bit crowded....
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My wife and I installed these front and rear seat car alarms and they work great! Of course, on a long distance trip, it does get a bit crowded....
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
Sorry about the extra pictures - can't figure out the stupid edit functions.
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@CCGGG
I really don't ever want to shot anyone but I will defend myself, my family and property. But to answer your question to which I prefer. I remember in one of my CHL classes the instructor asked a similar question and then he said, personally, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Made a lot of sense to me.
Know One in their right mind wants to shoot anyone..unless it can be proven there was no other choice.
My side of the family is most all in law enforcement...thats where I got the 8 and 12 from...but I gotta tell you 4,6,or 8 would make no difference to me when it comes to defending myself or my family. We only get to go around once at life, and it's short enough as it is.
If anyone makes it past the claymores, I just give them what they want. (That's a joke!!!)
@2ndCharter
That German Shepherd looks just like mine. Very loyal dog. Have you ever heard that saying addressed to the criminal..."you might get in but you won't get out"...do you catch the drift?
I have several layers of protection, only the family knows what they are.
For the most part, my collection sits in the bank. Occasionally, i bring a few pieces home to photograph or enjoy. I feel the best place to store your collection is in the bank. Why is that?
Well, I originally thought that the layers of security would be just fine until one of my fellow collectors asked me this question. What do you do if an armed professional thief gets the jump on you and tells you to open the safe or you are dead? Worse yet, what if he holds a gun to the head of one of your family members and demands valuables? Our dogs aren't much of a deterrent but they do make a lot of noise.
I try to stay aware, but I am afraid that it is tough to thwart a professional thief who has the element of surprise.
So I skipped buying the big gun safe and put everything of value in the bank.
Now here is one trick I have in place. I have a locked drawer that actually has some coins in it. Slabbed state quarters and some old slabbed tokens and other stuff. None of it is high value, but much is shiny and looks expensive to a thief. I figure if I have something to give the thief, I stand a better chance of surviving the encounter.
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@shorecoll said
If anyone makes it past the claymores, I just give them what they want. (That's a joke!!!)
My dogs are like claymores....LOL... that's not a joke!!
@Cameonut said
So I skipped buying the big gun safe and put everything of value in the bank.
There is nothing wrong with that...if that is your comfort zone...I back you 100%.
I'd say keep 10 lbs. of black powder in your safe. It helps locating where the acetylene torch is.
If you are that concerned about security is it really worth having?
@WildIdea said
If someone puts a weapon to your families head, your gonna open the safe. Why stack a huge target right next to one ones you love the most.
I see nothing wrong with that Line of defense... What do you considered to be huge ?
@291fifth said
If you are that concerned about security is it really worth having?
I guess that would depend on the individual...everyone is different.
Safes are good for keeping guns out of kids hands when your at work, but they also create a target for thieves. I’m simply musing that maybe serious valuables be kept separate from your family so they don’t get caught on in the middle of a theft.
I've recently added several cameras, and I want to endorse them here. I had been looking for cameras for awhile, and finally found the perfect solution for me. First, the price. They are $25 SHIPPED! They record a 12 second clip when they sense motion, and have a 5 minute cool down period in between recordings. Second, they have FREE cloud storage, for like 14 days or something. I've bought 4 of them and love them so far. They are indoor only, but I have 2 outside under porches, etc, and they have done well since about November or so. Also, I bought a cheap ($10) 32g micro sd card, and that enables 24 hour recording on a loop. So you can use the app to see when a motion alert was sent, and go back and view the non-stop recording, instead of a 12 second clip. That means this is a pretty dang good security camera for a total of $35 SHIPPED! I will add though, some people say the "cloud" this is uploaded to might not be the most secure, so I wouldn't want to put it somewhere where someone could hack it and watch things you don't want seen. But to sit in your safe room pointing to the door, under a porch, etc, these are amazing!
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These stories remind me of a time, long, long ago when I was a Realtor. I had a couple I was showing homes to and we found one on the edge of town (a bit of a gentleman farm) that we wanted to view. MLS showed there were dogs on the property. Called the agent and she said that it was on lockbox and dogs were likely in their runs in the barn. Knock first and if no answer go ahead on in.
Exactly what I did and no responses to the knock. Used the MLS box key and let ourselves in. Once in and adjusting our eyes to the lighting and opening the drapes at the same time, all three of us saw a Doberman just sitting in the middle of the Living room looking at us. Not a peep, no growl, no bark, no nothing. She just sat there. We slowly and calmly went about looking at the house. Upon our attempt to leave the dog got between me and the front door and smiled (if you get my drift). No growl, just teeth.
So, being very clever we decided to see if we could leave by the back slider out onto the deck. Dog was happy to let us out the slider. AAAAAAAAAAAAaah, no stairs down from the deck (15' drop to a sloping away yard of dirt) and the damn dog was sitting on the other side of the glass smiling. We were not getting back in and we were not leaving....trapped (view was nice though). Cells in those days were in the cars and not hand held.....car was in the front yard. We were in the back yard. Ugh.
Took about an hour of me moving every so slowly, inch by inch, back into the house and to the kitchen phone. Finally got it and called my office: HELP HELP. They just pretty much laughed at me. Said they would do what they could. I did manage to get my clients into the house and they just patiently leaned against the glass slider for the better part of an hour.
Fortunately the owner arrived and saw my car sitting there. I'm sure there was a bit of panic but she said no, not so. The dog had been trained to let people in but not out. We were perfectly safe, unless we reached for a door handle. LOL
My clients did not buy the home, and did not even move to our city.......oh well.
bob
@AUandAG
Great story. Most people think it's a joke that dogs can be trained to that extent...it's no joke. I know dogs can also be trained to be very quiet and not make a move until your in the house...then your done... no mercy.
Guard dogs are cool.
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