1885 S or 1895 S?? Please help!
Spartcom5
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Found this poor looking morgan and its either a 95 S or 85 S. Its $25 but I cant make it out. Maybe if anyone could identify a vam? IMO i think its an 1885 S but if theres any chance its a 95 i want to know.
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I'd snap it up at $25 and send it to PCGS, see if they can identify the date and grade it. The 1885-S is actually scarcer in PO01 (2 coins) than the 1895-S (6 coins), so it might actually be worth more. As a raw coin, there's a possibility that it could be identified by the shape and/or position of the mint mark, if there are significant differences between the two dates.
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Yea, maybe I'll go pick it up but will it get details for the scratches on the reverse? Some more pictures.
What do you mean PO01? It has a full Liberty, if it were a dime it would be VF or better
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
I see 85
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Hmm maybe its an FR 2
It won't grade with that reverse.
bob
I can't offer any guess as to what the date might be.
I've had limited success rubbing some tail-pipe exhaust residue on the date areas of buffalo nickels and standing quarters. It should help a little to reveal the date.
If I did send this in is there such a thing as PO Details? I'm convinced it's PO 1 but the scratches on the reverse, they wouldn't PO detail it would they lol?
This one has similar reverse scratches, https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/627649/grades-in-the-first-84cc-morgan-po-1-trueview/p1
Wow... hard to say... and if PCGS cannot identify it, not sure what they do.... Good luck....Cheers, RickO
Im seeing 85
That coin isnt even graded yet and its already been stickered
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A coin graded "PO01 Details" would be quite the conversation piece.
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Does it matter? I see a slug
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If it did grade I think it's a FA2. Reverse lettering is too strong and will hold it back. Both sides have to exhibit PO characteristics to get the coveted PO01.
My 1883cc in my CC lowball registry has less details and did not make PO01.
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/low-ball-sets/low-ball-denomination-sets/carson-city-morgan-dollars-low-ball-1878-1893/imagegallery/135468
bob
Okay, I'm certain your coin is an 1885-S. The tipoff is the position of the third and fourth digits of the date. If you compare an 1885 with an 1895, the digits of the1885 are more spread out and the last two digits are further to the right, using the bottom of Liberty's hair as a guide.
To me, the 1883-CC appears to have more of the date and lettering showing on both obverse and reverse than the OP's coin. I'm pretty sure the OP's coin would grade PO01 if it grades at all.
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Maybe the OP will submit and we'll all see. These are tough to get for sure.
bob
Because its cool. I plan on having it displayed next my highest grade morgan. Heres a price realized for a 1885 s po1 http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/AuctionDetail/7164/3678397/1 i dont know if that price is right though, seems really high
I suppose that the "juxtaposition" of coin collecting is to find coins that actually did what they were intended to do: Circulate.
Personally I prefer coins with a little bit of circulation to them.
It makes them "classy".
Pete
I highly doubt that coin would straight grade given the heavy scratches on the reverse. It looks like it has too much detail for PO1 as well. Save your $25.
Too late, i think it will grade based off other pcgs examples ive seen. Whether its PO1 or FR 2 i dont know. Its always exciting for me to send off my pawn finds.
The three blind mice currently grading might call that MS 60.
Why throw good money after bad? Yes, it is fun to send things in to be graded but that coin is going to end up in a low (but not PO) grade details holder. The reverse rim looks like it was filed down.
Oh well, it's worth a shot. I probably won't be doing it again lol.
Ray Charles is the finalizer....so it will be right!
I would have no problem paying $50 plus grading fees for this coin. I suspect many others on this forum would be willing to do likewise. Even at FR02 it would be worth at least that much. And a PO01 or FR02 "details" grade might actually increase its value - there are very few PCGS or NGC "details" coins in those two low grades on eBay.
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I guess the OP would be well-served selling you the coin now then. Instant double!
I won’t even charge a commission.
Out of curiosity, how long would it take to make a PO1 coin from a mid-grade circulated one? Sounds like an arbitrage opportunity.
Is that wear normal? Looks like a washing machine coin. Probably did hard time in Vegas.
Easier to find a good candidate on eBay and submit. I picked up this one raw on eBay for $19.
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