Chinese counterfeits please post

Coin Finder · January 7, 2018 10:00AM

I would love to see pictures of the best Chinese counterfeit coins if you have them. Not the ridiculous ones, the good ones. so that we can all learn.

THanks

Zoins · January 7, 2018 10:06AM

Here's one PCGS showed US Congressmen. I never knew the holders were smaller. It looks like the coins are smaller too.

http://coinsblog.ws/2012/07/rallying-congress-to-fight-overseas-counterfeiting-problems.html/counterfeit-1883-s-1-in-fake-holders

PCGS representatives showed Congressmen counterfeit U.S. coins in counterfeit PCGS holders during their recent meetings in Washington, DC. (Photo courtesy of PCGS.)

Zoins · January 7, 2018 10:10AM

Here's another one PCGS discovered in a counterfeit holder. Try finding the diagnostics on this one!

As much as I like the older non-edge view holders, this can be strong reason to move everyone to edge view holders!

http://coinsblog.ws/2013/06/second-chance-to-help-fight-against-fakes.html/counterfeitmorgan

An example of a Morgan Dollar cut in half to match a date with a mintmark to have the coin appear something it is not. Coin was in a counterfeit PCGS slab and caught by one of their graders.

BuffaloIronTail · January 7, 2018 10:49AM

Old school coin shop lingo would call the above coin a "Cup and a Saucer"

Pete

Coin Finder · January 7, 2018 3:21PM

That Morgan looks pretty freaken good...

bsshog40 · January 7, 2018 3:46PM

I know you wanted good ones, but this is the only one I have. Thought I'd post it anyway.

MorganMan94 · January 7, 2018 3:55PM

This is the most convincing one I have ever seen.

TennesseeDave · January 8, 2018 7:01AM

ricko · January 8, 2018 9:21AM

Soon we will need spectrographic analysis and electron microscope mapping to authenticate coins. Cheers, RickO

Insider2 · January 8, 2018 9:59AM

@ricko said: "Soon we will need spectrographic analysis and electron microscope mapping to authenticate coins."

Funny you should say that. In 1985 a seminar instructor told his class that the "Day of the Hand Lens for coin authentication is over!" Then he told a scientist in the class with access to an electron microscope that if the doctor returned home and started to study the surfaces of genuine coins with his instrument he would become the best coin authenticator in the country because the surface of counterfeits is different from genuine coins (even at 40X back then).

ricko · January 8, 2018 10:07AM

I do believe that computer grading will be the future, and it will include such technology. When that happens, there will finally be grading standards and regrades will not happen..... except for the millions and millions of coins already graded that will be sent in for the 'ultimate grade'.....and then the CAC business model will change as well. Cheers, RickO

Kkathyl · January 8, 2018 10:14AM

Kkathyl · January 8, 2018 4:54PM

@ricko this will be one of those times I disagree with you. I seen a 15M inspection machine for acrylic sheets reject specs in the air. It was to inspect Canopies for F 15 fighter jets, yields whent from 20% to 4 %. I think machines will be too sensitive. How do you enter the specs for gauge width. How do you see depth of a scratch or determine bang marks. If you know anyone contiplating this I would be interested in running through the plan.

ricko · January 8, 2018 8:29PM

@Kkathyl...While I do not presently know an individual working specifically on coin grading, I do believe that with AI, those variables will be simple to conquer. The issue you speak of would certainly be encountered by simple performance programming. However, with AI it can be overcome. The future is there, someone must seize it. Cheers, RickO

Type2 · January 9, 2018 9:41PM

colonialjohn · January 12, 2018 4:38PM

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See my new book I do a chapter on Chinese Modern Forgeries - how to avoid and their most probable XRF assays.

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blitzdude · January 29, 2018 4:06PM

I know you wanted good examples and this is not a good one but blows my mind that Mr. Chen can sell me this on Ebay for .99 cents with free shipping, send all the way from China, pay Ebay, and Paypal fees, mint the coin and end up with even a .01 cent profit. Non-magnetic, almost rings like a true morgan, same dimensions but only 22.4 grams.

mirabela · January 29, 2018 6:39PM

I know you said "good" -- these might not be that, but they're not completely ridiculous either. Way back when I nearly fell for a bogus Lafayette that was no better.

Chinese counterfeits please post

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