Counterfeit 1879-o $1 ms65 PCGS slab on the bay.
zas107
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Please report as I have done. Coin is real, but the slab/grade are not.
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How do you know this? The certification comes back correctly on BOTH coins.
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EXCELLENT work zas107. You are 100% correct. Here is the REAL holder. It is for an 1893-s Morgan MS-64:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/1893-s-1-ms64-pcgs/a/1121-5024.s?hdnJumpToLot=1x=0&y=0
The 1879-o is the same Counterfeit PCGS holder from ebay seller, tommyrocks69 from oaklyn, New Jersey.....OOOOOPS, this seller, tomsqt77 is also from oaklyn, New Jersey......what a coincidence:
https://coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=289556
Here is what tommyrocks wrote, on the PCGS board the last time he sold this same Counterfeit 1879-o morgan:
" So I am the infamous and stupid Tommyrocks69 who sold the fake PCGS slabs on eBay. I purchased 20 or so coins from a guy through Facebook and I guess because the price was so good I was blinded by greed. I am always looking at the coins themselves for fakes. I never even heard of genuine coins being in fake slabs so I wasn't looking for that when I was looking over this lot. I definitely thought something didn't seem right, but I it wasn't enough to make me stop the sale or investigate further. As someone mentioned I have a 100% seller feedback score on eBay. That's because I don't peddle fakes or garbage. Not intentionally anyway. If you ask some of my buyers they will tell you I bend over backwards to make sure they are happy and satisfied with the coin(s). Selling people fake slabs definitely goes against everything that I stand for. The only good news is that it was only 4 slabs. It is not a ring or anything where people can expect to see hundreds of these things flood the market. Not from me personally anyway and I think this was a one time thing for the person I got them from. Obviously it's still bad that it happened at all, but in this case the source (me) is terribly embarrassed and ashamed and will be making sure he looks more closely at what he puts out there under his name. I am sure that for some my apology won't be enough or they will think I'm not being truthful and I understand that. I can see by some of these posts that many of you take this hobby extremely seriously and as a personal attack when you see things like this happen. All I can tell you is that I love collecting coins and I will do everything in my power to right the wrongs of this particular situation and make sure it never happens again in the future"
Here's the link to that post:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11725650#Comment_11725650
Several things are off. The font on the label is off. Biggest giveaway is that it is a lightly cleaned coin with wear on the neck and cheek, yet is graded ms65.
That means nothing. Counterfeiters just use a valid certification number and slap it on 1000 fake slabs. As long as it was a valid number to start with it will come back good when checked.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
The lot was removed
BHNC #203
I know. But the picture on the NGC coin also seems to match
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It is gone now, so hopefully it will not be back. However, quite often, these things reappear in about a month or so... Good catch..Cheers, RickO
Thanks for the info.
One of his previous sales (take a look at that nice 1889-cc).............
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Key-Date-Lot-1889cc-1892s-1883s-1901p-amp-1903s-XF-AU-/302502492000?nma=true&si=vbrSbbTG%2FebD1MVazXLhO4zWi4U%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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The NGC coin was probably real. As if the fake would be less obvious if paired with a real slab or something. (scammer logic)