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Morgan neck dent ?

Rich49Rich49 Posts: 191 ✭✭✭
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Might be a dumb question.I am new to this series and have lots to learn I see on some dates and MM this tiny "dent" on the left side neck .Is this some sort of alignment mark ?

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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a hit to me?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2017 5:09PM

    It is on all the coins. There is an indentation at the chin and the one lower down the neck. Not so much on the 21's.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Morgans are strange.

  • Rich49Rich49 Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    Always in the same place. Weird if it is hit in the same spot on lots of them same size and placement.Here is a PR65

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you compare your Morgan to others you will see it's a normal mark on the coin.

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2017 6:19PM

    Hey, leave her Adams Apple alone. This is still 2017, we can't judge...

    The more you VAM..
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While there is an indentation there as minted, your example does 'appear' to have an additional 'hit' that expands the mark. Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rich49 said:
    Always in the same place. Weird if it is hit in the same spot on lots of them same size and placement.Here is a PR65

    nice coin. i love the reverse on this one

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rich49

    @Rich49 said:
    Might be a dumb question.I am new to this series and have lots to learn I see on some dates and MM this tiny "dent" on the left side neck .Is this some sort of alignment mark ?

    There are NO dumb questions. :smile:

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, can someone tell me why it is on so many coins from different mints and with different dates?

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    OK, can someone tell me why it is on so many coins from different mints and with different dates?

    Because it was on the master hub.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The slight indent on the neck does appear to be as minted... the OP coin appears to have an additional mark with it.... Cheers, RickO

  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the original question was why is the neck dent there?
    Does anyone know?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017 9:22AM

    Tracing things we see on a coin is a great exercise. So during some part of this process, something occurred to leave this mark on all the coins. The only two stages where this mark could occur on all the coins are #1 or #2.

    1. A dent in the neck would be raised on a working die.
    2. Or a dent in the working hub.
    3. Or a raised mark on a master die.
    4. Or a dent in the master hub that was produced by a raised mark on the model or more likely a hit, touch up, slip, etc. to the master hub.

    I think that the best guess is something either intentional or part of the design happened to the Master Hub.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actually--- the portrait is of Marie Antoinette. The "dent" is part of the "cut here" line on her neck....

    :)

    OK. Just a bit of fun.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know everybody trusts your knowledge, Roger.

    So I wonder if the French had anything to do with input (pun intended) for Morgan during the design phase?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    You know everybody trusts your knowledge, Roger.

    So I wonder if the French had anything to do with input (pun intended) for Morgan during the design phase?

    Pete

    No, but the British did... :wink:

    The more you VAM..
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    You know everybody trusts your knowledge, Roger.

    So I wonder if the French had anything to do with input (pun intended) for Morgan during the design phase?

    Pete

    There is a French design that resembles Morgan's Liberty -- of course, so did his wife. He brought the design with him from England in Sept 1876.

  • Rich49Rich49 Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    I would think that it was done on the master hub during the machining process.Perhaps someone here will find the answer.I just thought it was odd and worthy of discussion :) Perhaps a loose pivot arm in the engraving tool dipped into the die and wasn't noticed .

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