Panama Pacific Exposition

Pioneer · November 29, 2017 8:02PM

I love this exposition... and I wanted to ask if you'd post some of the cool numismatic items it created. Here's the first I have....

kaz · November 29, 2017 8:15PM

That's a really cool medal, I haven't seen it before. Amazing relief on the obverse.

Pioneer · November 29, 2017 9:20PM

I only know of 4 of those silver medals... Nevada, Montana, Oregon, ... and France....
Here's a bronze... and the bronze are easier to find:

Pioneer · November 29, 2017 9:30PM

Pioneer · November 29, 2017 9:31PM

Pioneer · November 29, 2017 10:00PM

There certainly also seems to be a variety of so-called dollars with various metals/finishes ... the state fund series being an interesting area of study.... I think there are bronzed, silver-plate, and gold-plate varieties for many states represented at the exposition....

Hydrant · November 29, 2017 11:02PM

When I was a kid, I found a HUGE Indian Head Cent. It was in a shed on the ranch. Probably 4-5 inches in diameter. The reverse, if I remember correctly, said something about the 1915 Panama Pacific Exposition. It was solid copper. Where it is now, who knows. Does anyone here have one. I'd love to see it. I've seen copies made in cheap metal. But never the "Real McCoy" in solid copper. If anyone has one please post. Thanks.

Outhaul · November 30, 2017 2:04AM

In silver.

Treashunt · November 30, 2017 4:59AM

@Outhaul said:

excellent!
watch fob?

coinsarefun · November 30, 2017 5:16AM

northcoin · November 30, 2017 5:34AM

CommemDude · November 30, 2017 6:35AM

I now believe this is a restrike, purchased as an original

ricko · November 30, 2017 6:40AM

Nice medals.... The exposition was responsible for some great medallic art... and, of course, the king of gold coins, the PanPac Octagonal gold coin..... Cheers, RickO

oldabeintx · November 30, 2017 7:39AM

Some beautiful and interesting medals. Being from San Francisco the Expo has always been of interest. Oh heck I can feel it starting......

Pioneer · November 30, 2017 10:03PM

Manufactured by H. Kroll & Co jewelers presumably around 1913 in preparation for the PPIE. Herman Kroll was the company founder (from Prussia), worked in NYC, and passed in 1915, so presumably this was one of his last creations. The graphic info comes from the book by Burnie in the 1950s detailing small gold, a rather vast and complex collecting area with some HUGE rarities, including the M.E. Hart collection of gold coins (full sets big $ in the frame).

northcoin · November 30, 2017 11:34PM

@northcoin said:

I note NGC listed it as a Rarity 6. I got it to keep company for my Pan-Pac Octagonal.

Designed as a "badge" I am guessing that a ribbon would have hung from its top and then the ribbon would have been dangled around one's neck.

SCDHunter · December 1, 2017 5:50AM

@CommemDude said:
I now believe this is a restrike, purchased as an original

CommemDude - Why do you suspect it is a restrike?

CommemDude · December 1, 2017 6:13AM

I now believe this is a restrike, purchased as an original

CommemDude - Why do you suspect it is a restrike?

ZOINS posted an interesting thread on this matter
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/957647/hk-402-panama-pacific-alabama-scd-restrike-with-original-dies

SCDHunter · December 1, 2017 7:20AM

Thanks CommemDude - I'll have to check to see if mine is a restrike.

SCDHunter · December 1, 2017 7:35AM

Just checked my example, also from the Bill Weber Collection. It is a restrike too

So what should the correct HK designation be? The 2008 catalog shows HK-402a as being silver plated. There is no mention of restrikes.

carabonnair · December 1, 2017 9:36AM

My grandmother was born in early 1913 and visited the exposition as a toddler, some of her earliest memories when she was alive.

I only have a couple elongated cents - no 50 dollar slugs were passed down in my family

Cakes · December 1, 2017 9:41AM

@kaz said:
That's a really cool medal, I haven't seen it before. Amazing relief on the obverse.

I agree, it jumps off the page! For some reason the bonze one doesn't do it for me like the silver one.

EXOJUNKIE · December 1, 2017 10:38AM

Just posted these in another thread yesterday so had the images handy.

QCCoinGuy · December 1, 2017 7:03PM

I don't own this, but I wish I did. Heritage has an original double Pan-Pac set in the upcoming FUN auction. This piece hung in the home of the consignor's grandfather for more than 50 years. This is one of six or seven traced sets. The frame is in fantastic shape. How cool!

https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=51+792+4294949926&Ntk=SI_Titles-Desc&Nty=1&Ntt=cherry+grove+collection&ic4=KeywordSearch-A-K-071316

Pioneer · December 1, 2017 8:03PM

Not sure if it makes a lot of sense to silver-plate a "gold" slug replica, but they rarely exist from the PPIE. I completely agree with the above post that the original 0.5, $1, $2.5, and $50 pieces in the original frame would be an amazing collection to have displayed. For what it is worth, the slugs (and less expensive replicas ala Bill Weber and Tom Jankovsky cataloging/collecting) are a pretty cool area of numismatics...

Outhaul · December 2, 2017 9:27AM

@Treashunt said:

@Outhaul said:

excellent!
watch fob?

Yep; watch fob. I thought someone may have added the loop and strap, but it was offered as is.

kiyote · December 2, 2017 1:33PM

I’ve always wanted a gem from the Tower of Jewels.. they’re not too hard to find.

Pioneer · December 2, 2017 9:01PM

8 colors x 5 sizes = 40 combinations.... but apparently (like coins and medals) not all combinations are known to exist.....

Zoins · November 22, 2018 3:57AM

@Pioneer said:
I love this exposition... and I wanted to ask if you'd post some of the cool numismatic items it created. Here's the first I have....

These are great! I love the relief and the history.

Will PCGS slab these?

Are these in any references? I didn't find them in the H&K 2nd Edition:

https://so-calleddollars.com/Events/Panama_Pacific_Exposition.html

Of note, Shreve was originally founded in 1852 and is still around. Their building was one of the only ones left standing after the 1906 earthquake. It was used by their company through 2015, when they moved to a new location due to increasing rents.

The 1906 Earthquake
By 1906 Shreve had moved from Market Street to a brand new, eleven story building at the corner of Post & Grant. A month later, the great earthquake hit the city and the Shreve building was one of the only still standing.

The building was built of modern reinforced concrete construction and survived completely intact. The interior had to be rebuilt as you can see from the pictures below. When the restoration on the store at Post & Grant was completed, business returned to normal and the interior showroom was the magnificent pantheon to jewelry that it would remain until 2015.

mamieopa · September 22, 2020 6:10AM

Here is another silver medal from France. I might be interested to sell it for a reasonable price, but not less than 750 Dollars. Please contact me if interested. The medal is in XF condition, diameter 38 mm for 32.63 g.

SiriusBlack · September 22, 2020 6:51AM

I don’t have have them with me, but I purchased a large collection of Magic Lantern glass slides a few years ago, and included was an I “think” complete set from the Panama-Pacific Expo! I’ll try to find a couple to post, they’re not numismatic but thy might add a little flavor.

tokenpro · September 22, 2020 7:45AM

This one sits in the box between my 1885 c/s 5c and my 1914D encased cent - sorry for the poor images):

coinsarefun · September 22, 2020 7:51AM

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I was thrilled to see PCGS grading these. Only thing is these were minted 1965
to celebrate the 50 year anniversary.
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AlanSki · September 22, 2020 10:44AM

Zoins · February 5, 2022 9:14AM

Here's a most gorgeous HK-399 in silver.

Anyone know who owns this and it's available?

Zoins · February 5, 2022 9:17AM

Great thread @Pioneer1!

The PPIE was a wonderful event with a lot of history!

Here's my certificate of attendance with a piece of cocoabola wood used for the railroad! Too bad it doesn't have Zerbe's name on it!

HasBeen · February 6, 2022 7:46AM

Zoins pm sent

coinsarefun · February 6, 2022 10:07AM

I love this one and haven’t been able to find an example that is nice. Usually pretty beat up.
Yours is nice.

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@Pioneer said:

Not sure if it makes a lot of sense to silver-plate a "gold" slug replica, but they rarely exist from the PPIE. I completely agree with the above post that the original 0.5, $1, $2.5, and $50 pieces in the original frame would be an amazing collection to have displayed. For what it is worth, the slugs (and less expensive replicas ala Bill Weber and Tom Jankovsky cataloging/collecting) are a pretty cool area of numismatics...

Jzyskowski1 · February 6, 2022 5:22PM

Fishing for one right now. I’ll post if I win. Wish me luck!🙀
A battle to the end but it is coming home to our collection 🙀👍🏼

ZoidMeister · February 6, 2022 8:47PM

Kind of an old thread, but I'll contribute.

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robec · February 7, 2022 9:35AM

coinsarefun · February 7, 2022 10:02AM

That sure is a purely one Robert……and excellent images as usual

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