@Crypto said:
Holy smokes, shot at 67+\68 DCAM which is a home run for an accented hair. Would require the rev to dip out though
Too bad it's not an Accented Hair.
BTW, that reverse will in all likelihood not dip out. Neither will the obverse.
It isn’t? I always get the minor differences of the 20cen hub types confused. I thought the strong lines over the ear was the mark. As for it dipping out, who knows until it hits the showers. Wouldn’t bet on it though
I already gave the coin a bath. It cleaned up nicely. It has a milk spot on JDK's bust the is muted by the frosted devices. The rim toning on the reverse will not come off easily, if at all. It is a solid Cameo and has good eye appeal. I would not grade it higher than a 65, shot 66 with the milk spot and reverse rim toning.
I treat spots just like bag marks. This coin has too many on the obverse. I agree with the OP's grade - 65 MAX! Who knows what a TPGS will do. They consider most "modern" coins "worthless" and see no downside to grading them in the 67 to 69 ranges. One day, the SWHTF.
PS Many coins may be permanently stained when they are "dipped" by amateurs who know nothing about the steps involved to conserve a coin BEFORE it is dipped and neutralized!
PS Many coins may be permanently stained when they are "dipped" by amateurs who know nothing about the steps involved to conserve a coin BEFORE it is dipped and neutralized!
This includes the US Mint which, IMO, is the source of these imperfections.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
LOL, perhaps. However, try this "trick" 26.3K. Blow up the obverse of the Kennedy. Now look at the center of the reaction rings (pick a gray spot). Note that there is a tiny white speck in the center of the spot. It's a very good bet that the mint did not send that coin out like that. That's also why they are not actually "milk spots." More likely, the coin was removed from its original package and picked up some debris. The stain on the reverse probably happened out of the package also.
After writing all this there is one thing to take away. If this coin would have been conserved properly (CLEANED but you couldn't tell) the stain would have probably disappeared rather than become burned into the coin when the OP dipped it.
PS The "right" person could improve this coin. Unfortunately, it's not worth the expense.
I do not know what happened to this half dollar before I picked it up last week. It was in an aftermarket holder (an interesting holder, the type I have never seen before; I will have to post a photo of same). The half dollar had developed light haze on it, along with the reverse rim toning from 1:00 to 5:30 on the clock face (which is dark and probably cannot be removed). It also has a milk spot on the bust of JFK beneath the part in the hair and directly under the "E" in Liberty. I see the speck that Insider2 mentioned. It is located in the center of the milk spot and it makes me think that some particle landed on the coin at some time. The particle may have contributed to the appearance of the milk spot, but it is (based on the information I have learned from my previous collecting and evaluating of 50's and 60's proof silver) a milk spot.
I gave the coin a quick dip in a 15% solution of E-Zest, which removed the light haze. The coin looks much better, post dip. The dip did not remove the reverse rim toning and did not remove the milk spot. The fields cleaned up nicely and post dip the coin, in hand, has positive eye appeal. The contrast between the fields and devices is excellent. The fields are not flawless, as evident in the photo.
All in all it is a nice example of a Cameo 1964 proof half dollar. Not high value, in fact probably not worth submitting for grading.
This is what our coins look like at 50X. This is not a milk spot. Milk spots do not have any foreign material associated with them. The micro-surface of a milk spot is smooth and gray.
Your coin MAY have some milk spots but the image looks more like what I've posted here. This spot can be conserved if caught in time.
Look at all the "crap" on its surface. I suspect the debris on the frosted relief has either not been there long enough to spot OR the etched surface of the frosting is not as susceptible to spotting as was the mirror field.
The items you refer to may in fact be debris on the surface of the coin. I will take a close look at the coin tonight. If there is surface debris that is present on the coin I will remove same (if it can be done without damaging the coin). If the debris is removed and a spot resulting from the debris is present I will try to remove the spot (which may or may not be successful).
@SanctionII said:
I was talking about the milk spot on JFK's bust.
The items you refer to may in fact be debris on the surface of the coin. I will take a close look at the coin tonight. If there is surface debris that is present on the coin I will remove same (if it can be done without damaging the coin). If the debris is removed and a spot resulting from the debris is present I will try to remove the spot (which may or may not be successful).
You have a keen eye. Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you. IMHO, many coin conservation professionals (I know a few) can remove the spot on the bust also - without a trace. The Holy Grail of coin conservation is removing the stains from SE's that are larger than a pin head.
@Crypto said:
Holy smokes, shot at 67+\68 DCAM which is a home run for an accented hair. Would require the rev to dip out though
Too bad it's not an Accented Hair.
BTW, that reverse will in all likelihood not dip out. Neither will the obverse.
It isn’t? I always get the minor differences of the 20cen hub types confused. I thought the strong lines over the ear was the mark. As for it dipping out, who knows until it hits the showers. Wouldn’t bet on it though
I look for the missing serif on the left foot of the I. sometimes the "wishbone" in the hair over the ear is hard to spot.
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Nice proof. Looks like you have quite a collection.
Nice coin!
Holy smokes, shot at 67+\68 DCAM which is a home run for an accented hair. Would require the rev to dip out though
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Too bad it's not an Accented Hair.
BTW, that reverse will in all likelihood not dip out. Neither will the obverse.
The name is LEE!
It isn’t? I always get the minor differences of the 20cen hub types confused. I thought the strong lines over the ear was the mark. As for it dipping out, who knows until it hits the showers. Wouldn’t bet on it though
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I already gave the coin a bath. It cleaned up nicely. It has a milk spot on JDK's bust the is muted by the frosted devices. The rim toning on the reverse will not come off easily, if at all. It is a solid Cameo and has good eye appeal. I would not grade it higher than a 65, shot 66 with the milk spot and reverse rim toning.
Still a keeper.
Not much of a shot at DCAM. Reverse is!
I treat spots just like bag marks. This coin has too many on the obverse. I agree with the OP's grade - 65 MAX! Who knows what a TPGS will do. They consider most "modern" coins "worthless" and see no downside to grading them in the 67 to 69 ranges. One day, the SWHTF.
PS Many coins may be permanently stained when they are "dipped" by amateurs who know nothing about the steps involved to conserve a coin BEFORE it is dipped and neutralized!
Nice JFK half.... too bad about the reverse haze......Not sure if the conservation service at our host could help.....Cheers, RickO
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It can't Rick. These are milk spots and the only way to remove them causes damage to the coin. They simply do NOT dip off.
The name is LEE!
Still a nice looking coin
This includes the US Mint which, IMO, is the source of these imperfections.
The name is LEE!
LOL, perhaps. However, try this "trick" 26.3K. Blow up the obverse of the Kennedy. Now look at the center of the reaction rings (pick a gray spot). Note that there is a tiny white speck in the center of the spot. It's a very good bet that the mint did not send that coin out like that. That's also why they are not actually "milk spots." More likely, the coin was removed from its original package and picked up some debris. The stain on the reverse probably happened out of the package also.
After writing all this there is one thing to take away. If this coin would have been conserved properly (CLEANED but you couldn't tell) the stain would have probably disappeared rather than become burned into the coin when the OP dipped it.
PS The "right" person could improve this coin. Unfortunately, it's not worth the expense.
I do not know what happened to this half dollar before I picked it up last week. It was in an aftermarket holder (an interesting holder, the type I have never seen before; I will have to post a photo of same). The half dollar had developed light haze on it, along with the reverse rim toning from 1:00 to 5:30 on the clock face (which is dark and probably cannot be removed). It also has a milk spot on the bust of JFK beneath the part in the hair and directly under the "E" in Liberty. I see the speck that Insider2 mentioned. It is located in the center of the milk spot and it makes me think that some particle landed on the coin at some time. The particle may have contributed to the appearance of the milk spot, but it is (based on the information I have learned from my previous collecting and evaluating of 50's and 60's proof silver) a milk spot.
I gave the coin a quick dip in a 15% solution of E-Zest, which removed the light haze. The coin looks much better, post dip. The dip did not remove the reverse rim toning and did not remove the milk spot. The fields cleaned up nicely and post dip the coin, in hand, has positive eye appeal. The contrast between the fields and devices is excellent. The fields are not flawless, as evident in the photo.
All in all it is a nice example of a Cameo 1964 proof half dollar. Not high value, in fact probably not worth submitting for grading.
This is what our coins look like at 50X. This is not a milk spot. Milk spots do not have any foreign material associated with them. The micro-surface of a milk spot is smooth and gray.
Your coin MAY have some milk spots but the image looks more like what I've posted here. This spot can be conserved if caught in time.
Look at all the "crap" on its surface. I suspect the debris on the frosted relief has either not been there long enough to spot OR the etched surface of the frosting is not as susceptible to spotting as was the mirror field.
I was talking about the milk spot on JFK's bust.
The items you refer to may in fact be debris on the surface of the coin. I will take a close look at the coin tonight. If there is surface debris that is present on the coin I will remove same (if it can be done without damaging the coin). If the debris is removed and a spot resulting from the debris is present I will try to remove the spot (which may or may not be successful).
You have a keen eye. Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you. IMHO, many coin conservation professionals (I know a few) can remove the spot on the bust also - without a trace. The Holy Grail of coin conservation is removing the stains from SE's that are larger than a pin head.
I look for the missing serif on the left foot of the I. sometimes the "wishbone" in the hair over the ear is hard to spot.