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1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

How is this a 66+

And this is a 65

"May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grading is nothing but an opinion of whoever was grading on the day it was graded.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've NEVER received a gift like that first coin.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    I've NEVER received a gift like that first coin.

    Oh it gets better, here's the reverse.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    The graders saw both sides before rendering their opinion.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonder what the 67's are going to look like? :D

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭✭

    While it doesn't look like a 66+ from the pictures, the images are very grainy, blurry, and shot through scratched plastic. So at least for me I wouldn't be able to definitely draw any conclusions.

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    RexfordRexford Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Comparing different coins in relation to their grades isn't effective because coins aren't graded in comparison to one another.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could take the comparison away and still be hard pressed to find someone to say that coin is a 66+RD.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we see both coins using the same photography technique? The 65 is nice, but the 66+ is possibly being shown to its worst advantage.

    Your assessment might be 100% correct, but without being able to compare apples to apples, it’s impossible to draw conclusions.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I find most grading to be fairly consistent, occasionally we do see coins that cause us to take exception. This could be one, however, as noted above, some better pictures would help (listen to me, I, who could not take a good picture to win the lotto). That being said, it would not be the first coin that has been shown to be 'generously graded'.... ;) Cheers, RickO

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    YQQYQQ Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nobody mentioned who's slab this is.
    It might be asyn? or NNC?
    OR simply someone who bought salbs and .... voila??

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    Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the comments here about grading from images. The 66 - those are lousy images - typical of the dreck images I see on ebay, and that puts this cent in a bad light (literally.......). So no chance in drawing a conclusion without seeing in hand and/or seeing images that one knows for sure are showing the coin realistically.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Single data points.

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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

    Not true. Those hits on the forehead and cheek may not be there at all. Look at the other photos from the same listing. Now you see them, now you don't.

    Same with the reverse strike, it looks like a completely different coin in the other images.






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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some day, you folks are going to learn to stop grading coins based on photos which may not be that good.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    nobody mentioned who's slab this is.
    It might be asyn? or NNC?
    OR simply someone who bought salbs and .... voila??

    It's PCGS

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:
    I could take the comparison away and still be hard pressed to find someone to say that coin is a 66+RD.

    I'll say it. It's a 66 Red. The photos are bad. If it weren't $600, I'd buy it just to prove the point.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:
    How is this a 66+

    And this is a 65

    Perhaps they liked the uncommon color on the first one and did not like the "roll rub" all over Lincoln's face in the second. Coins such as this may tend to flip-flop each time they are sent in. After all, I've heard that any coin worth grading is worth sending in several times. B)

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

    Not true. Those hits on the forehead and cheek may not be there at all. Look at the other photos from the same listing. Now you see them, now you don't.

    Same with the reverse strike, it looks like a completely different coin in the other images.






    @jmlanzaf said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

    Not true. Those hits on the forehead and cheek may not be there at all. Look at the other photos from the same listing. Now you see them, now you don't.

    Same with the reverse strike, it looks like a completely different coin in the other images.

    So what are you saying? Some photos hide the marks and some do not? I'm viewing on an I-pad and can enlarge even the slabbed photos to 3 inches in diameter. News flash........ the hits are still there. The OP has one of top registry Lincoln sets. He knows what the typical grading standards are for the series.

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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's terrible and surprising

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

    Not true. Those hits on the forehead and cheek may not be there at all. Look at the other photos from the same listing. Now you see them, now you don't.

    Same with the reverse strike, it looks like a completely different coin in the other images.






    @jmlanzaf said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    The images are good enough to pick out the multiple hits on Lincolns forehead and cheek. The reverse strike is among the worst I have seen for this date, not to mention the multiple hits on ONE CENT. Don't need better pics to see this coin is over graded by 2 or 3 grades.

    Not true. Those hits on the forehead and cheek may not be there at all. Look at the other photos from the same listing. Now you see them, now you don't.

    Same with the reverse strike, it looks like a completely different coin in the other images.

    So what are you saying? Some photos hide the marks and some do not? I'm viewing on an I-pad and can enlarge even the slabbed photos to 3 inches in diameter. News flash........ the hits are still there. The OP has one of top registry Lincoln sets. He knows what the typical grading standards are for the series.

    I'm saying that I trust PCGS more than an eBay photo.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've learned to tread lightly on these things.........after being ripped to pieces on some of my opinions.

    Dare I say that the reverse does show a bit of weakness?

    Pete

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, the photos suck. But I agree with OP. That coin doesn't deserve 66+.

    If it were mine I'd be unloading it too.
    Lance.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2017 6:57PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @1Mike1 said:
    I could take the comparison away and still be hard pressed to find someone to say that coin is a 66+RD.

    I'll say it. It's a 66 Red. The photos are bad. If it weren't $600, I'd buy it just to prove the point.

    Look closer, its a 66+(plus)RD, and I triple dog dare you to buy this coin and keep it just to prove a point. :*:):D:#>:)o:)

    PS you don't even have to take better pics to prove its worth. :)

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    Even in my limited experience it’s horribly over graded. No trick of lighting can make those nicks on the reverse go away.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just look at the chunk taken out of the "O" on the reverse.
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