Perhaps PCGS has pulled the plug on Edynamicmarketing ?
bolivarshagnasty
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Link below is page one of newly listed "PCGS toned proof" search. Note all of the genuine Trueviews. Could it be we've finally turned the corner? Note the 89-S Kennedy with the blue periphery. The are getting good at what they do.
https://ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pcgs+toned+proof&_sop=10
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I'm not sure what you are asking. "Pulled the plug" to me means shut him down, yet it is showing he is getting them by pcgs and fooling them.
Never mind. I looked up a couple of the cert numbers and they are all "questionable color". Not sure why he is selling them like that...? Doesn't he want people to think they are natural?
he has over 11000 items listed over two months ago it was in the four hundreds
I'm not familiar with the exact wording of eBay's rules, but to call a coin PCGS genuine do you need to show the full slab? My understanding was you did when a specific numeric grade were listed.
He doesn't say any grades, because they are all questionable color
free plug , if I had to guess.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
Yeah, my point was that his new offerings are mostly questionable color. I counted 17 qc on the first page.
Ebay needs to pull the plug on that clown. Someone must be falling for his garbage as he keeps listing them.
there is a butt fro every seat
As long as xyz is making money this will continue!
How can anyone promote a hobby when we have FOOLS selling things?
Pete
Yes, exactly my point. I seems he should need to show the full slab to claim it is PCGS Genuine, but I'm not familiar enough with eBay's exact rules.
He's over listed over 11,000 pieces of c*ap. Get him off ebay!
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An issue for the hobby is that he may be a successful dealer if one goes by his feedback. It seems like he's selling a lot of coins.
I don't care for his work or practices anymore than anyone else, but if the coins are now in PCGS questionable color slabs, how does his work differ from anyone else who alters coins and sells them as novelties with disclosure (e.g. fantasy overstrikes that so many here gush over)? These AT coins now come with warning labels too.
There are still many coins like the following which is in the latest generation slab.
Was that before they imaged all of the secures? The picture doesn't show on the pcgs page. I bet he toned it after it was graded somehow.
I'm thinking PCGS straight graded that one.
Meanwhile...
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=pcgs+toned+silver+eagle&_pgn=1
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m4084.l1313&_nkw=ngc+toned+silver+eagle
See any differences?
As long as premiums are paid for tarnish, there will be those who make a business selling tarnish.....What surprises me, is that people pay a premium for something they could do themselves for just a little personal time....AT has flooded the market because it is profitable. Collectors are supporting the AT market, therefore it will continue. Cheers, RickO
This is somewhat similar for all doctoring with premiums being paid for cameo frost, smooth mirrors (lasered), puttied surfaces, etc. More than collectors supporting doctored coins, AT in this case, it seems to be collectors being fooled.
@Zoins.... Yes, I watched the 'tarnish is marvelous' phenomena grow over the years... it is one of the reasons I spent about two years experimenting with many methods of producing tarnish of various types. I became quite good at it actually....of course, I never let any of my experiments out of my 'laboratory'...I did learn a lot and I am sure today's coin doctors have learned even more....Cheers, RickO
@ricko I've also watched it grow and how people have tried to tame it with the PCGS Sniffer, CAC, Laura's outing of some doctors, etc. A general issue that I see is that there seems to be no disincentive to doctoring. They've protected themselves from being taken down on eBay, being sued by PCGS, being taken up under the PNG's Code of Ethics, from not being hired by the ANA, being outed, etc. In this case, you can even sell them openly. It's an interesting state of affairs for the hobby. I'm starting to wonder if there is nothing that can be done to stop doctors given how they seem to be protected.
@Zoins.... As long as demand continues, so will the supply - and apparently, those paying for tarnish, do not care how it is developed. Sure is a lot easier than putty, MM or date manipulation or other coin doctor tricks. Once the attraction fades, so will the profits.... Cheers, RickO
It is an interesting situation if those paying for tarnish do not care how it is developed. In this case, it would be an accepted part of the hobby. It would be kind of like contemporary counterfeits where counterfeits are bad, except when collectors will pay for them. Here, doctoring would be bad except when collectors will pay for them.
@Zoins... The answer is, when the tarnish fad diminishes (much like it started) and the profit for doctors and flippers vanishes... then so will the plethora of AT coins....It is, after all is said and done... the collection of environmentally damaged coins....Cheers, RickO
I avidly collect nicely toned coins. I'm confident in my ability to tell AT from NT so I buy nearly all of them raw and very rarely pay any significant premium for them. I always get them slabbed (PCGS) if the value of the coin justifies the cost. I've only had a couple out of a couple hundred that didn't straight grade.
Not sure who flagged you but it wasn't me.
I'd like to agree but I collect toned coins so I prefer not to use the term "environmentally damaged"
I've even bid 100s of dollars for Dan's purposely toned coins, but those aren't marketed as natural.