1873 S Seated Liberty Half dollar, will it WORTH a bid of $1800? **BEWARE of this scam
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Please render your opinions before the 1600 HST tomorrow. Thank you!
Key. Scarce. Gem high grade. As Meatloaf said two out of three ain't bad.
But best of luck if go after this. How much experience do you have buying raw coins?
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I don't know if it's worth a bid, but it's certainly worth getting slabbed.
The date, mintmark position and die markers look correct for the only known die marriage for the 1873-S.
There are recently discovered counterfeits for the 1872-S, but they do not match the known die varieties.
I am less sure how to grade it from the photos. Could be anywhere from cleaned to EF-45 to MS-63?
I don't know how to assess if the fields are original or polished/smoothed, either.
If genuine, it is an R-3+.
1873-s is a very tough Seated half with this amount of detail. However, I would not bid $1800 on an uncertified example, personally. I think this one has been cleaned. The white surfaces with dark brown spot are a hint, as are the faintly visible hairlines at the left side of the obverse and under the mintmark. There also might be a fine line of raised metal around the edge that makes me think maybe something has been done to the rims (?).
If it's not yours, I would suggest bidding on this coin as an "Unc. details, cleaned" example because I don't think it will earn a straight grade at PCGS. If it's yours and you're selling it, it seems like the kind of coin to list on eBay as a true auction (with better photos), and just see what it brings.
My opinion is, that if authentic, and not cleaned or otherwise manipulated, this coin would bring the seller much more ROI as a slabbed specimen. Proceed with caution.... Cheers, RickO
I think I've seen this coin and others from the same seller, they all look like high grade coins, but with no returns allowed. I was watching a nice looking 1862-S sometime back and thought about pulling the trigger, but the no return policy ixnayed that. Good luck if you give it a shot!
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I would not be willing to pay over 300 dollars for this personally, based on sales results of Au detailed coins. This coin will not get a straight grade at PCGS or NGC IMO (I would actually bet money on that).
Why would the seller leave money on the table anyway - unless they were in an emergent situation? The unblown up picture def. seem to show horizontal hairlines in the field at least & see obverse toward 7 o'clock and toward stars 7 thru 9; also reverse below mintmark. See also "bubble drops" or cleaning variable areas which have not retained above head of Lib and in the field to her left & also reverse below "A" of AMERICA. Well, more than that but enough said for now.
Well, just Love coins, period.
In deciding whether to bid and what amount to bid on that coin, I would not assume that it will straight-grade.
Tom
Now I see reasons not to deal with this no return seller; he/she could've realized the ROI him/herself if it is really that good.
I thought $1800 would be my top offer if it is a genuine MS64 which has an estimated value of $5999 listed in USA Coin book.
Pics are hard to judge and this may not be by accident. I would assume it won't straight grade and that is why it is being offered as is with no return. A true gem BU (65) in a PC holder is a $20,000+ coin so the seller would be nuts to offer raw. You sound new to the game - there are deals to be made on EBay and elsewhere but far more traps for the uninitiated.
If you have interest in seated coins, pay very close attention to roadrunner on here - he is great about sharing his knowledge and it goes back to the 70s. Elmer and redden also know of what they speak and give good advice above. Love your enthusiasm - just don't want another entrant to the hobby turned off by the remains of a bad deal.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
It's a cleaned AU.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Run away. Run fast. Run far.
The same seller had the exact same coin up for an eBay auction that ended on Aug 6:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1873-S-SEATED-LIBERTY-Silver-Half-Dollar-GEM-HIGH-BU-Desired-Key-Date-/122619245535?nma=true&si=EHiseixvInmu5rdEohrF6JWGvLU%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
So answer me this... If this guy doesn't accept returns, how did he manage to ship the coin and have it returned to him within 4 days so he could start the next 10-day auction on the exact same coin?
Wanna know the answer to that? Check out the bidding history on the link I included for the previous auction. Notice how they are all private bidders? Yeah, that means he shill bid the coin up last time around and ended up being his own high bidder. In other words, he was trying to artificially inflate the bidding higher than whatever level he would actually "sell" the coin to a real buyer. Since it failed to go above his desired level, he became the high bidder by default and simply kept the coin and relisted it.
Like I said... Run away. Run fast. Run far.
How do I "find" them by their user names?
OMG You are right! How could he bid on his own listing? Gee, I did not know people do such thing. Thank you for your investigative work, greatly appreciate it. You just save me a heart ache..
Id pass, coin has definitely been cleaned
Dozens of BST deals completed, including: kalshacon, cucamongacoin, blu62vette, natetrook, JGNumismatics, Coinshowman, DollarAfterDollar, timbuk3, jimdimmick & many more
au details.
As a general rule, if you ever have to ask opinions about the price you should not be buying that item. Wait until you know enough to make that decision yourself.
Also (and this is especially true on eBay) you pretty much have to assume the coin will be a details coin if it's raw and would be much more valuable in the claimed slab grade.
It does not look even close to ms64/straight gradeable from the pictures Im seeing. Nice bright and whizzed more likely.
"1873-S SEATED LIBERTY Silver Half Dollar GEM HIGH BU++ Desired Key Date!
Scarce AU+ Coin. Variety Arrows & Minute "s" Tough Coin "
In one breath its a HIGH BU and AU+ , whatever that is....nuff said!
Very obviously cleaned au/unc details , and looks absolutely gross
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You were be far better served looking at the inventory of Tom Bush for the look you want in coins. Good luck.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
With PCGS price guide around $18K-$20K for a 64 (MS65 at $40K) figure a true 64 coin at least in the $10K-$15K range. That $6K number would around 63 money. I've never owned a choice/gem unc 1873-s. Closest I got was owning the James Stack/Jim Pryor 1874-s PCGS MS66 CAC....and a MS64 1872-s (ex-Jame Stack). Jim Halperin got a lot of mileage with a white gem 1873-s in the mid-1970's. Coins like that were still relatively unheard of as few major high end collections of seated material ever came to market.
I'm always more than happy to respond to PM's on better date choice/gem unc seated material...or even plain old type coins. I must have a thousand or more PMs just on that topic alone.