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There were too many poor people during the Great Depression....

topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

the 1929 one.

They made gifts of too many $2.50 gold pieces.
If they had been rich, we'd have more nice 5's and 10's.

20's don't count cause they all went to Europe and sat in bank vaults.

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 1:04PM

    My paternal Grandmother (born 1905) was the daughter of a well-off farmer. She told me of receiving a five dollar gold piece each year at Christmas time. She and her two sisters each received one. She said the coins were typically spent for whole cloth and buttons for making new dresses.

    Her father (my great-grandfather) lost a 120 acre farm in the early 1930s. He had borrowed money against his farm in 1926 to build a new two story farmhouse. Eventually couldn't make the payments and lost the farmland and the house at age 57.

    He lived another 25 years but I don't think any further five dollar gold pieces figured into the story.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well of course not. He was probably a good citizen who didn't really take the time to find out that you DIDN'T have to turn in all your gold coins so he did and got poor and lost it all.

    NEVER believe the government! :#

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 1:47PM

    @topstuf said:
    Well of course not. He was probably a good citizen who didn't really take the time to find out that you DIDN'T have to turn in all your gold coins so he did and got poor and lost it all.

    NEVER believe the government! :#

    The Great Depression was NOT some kind of 'jokey Smurf' libertarian affair.

    It was real toil, sweat, tears and even blood for very many people.

    My Great-Grandfather hated Roosevelt, but his real enemy was Andrew J. Mellon and that class.

    Again, we Numismatists have the example of William H. Woodin, whose final years are not always properly remembered today.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The folks who bought up the distressed goods and defaulted properties of the masses experienced very few tears.

    And that's as far as I'll go to inject my cynical observations about poverty and its causes.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We still didn't get enough gifts of 5 dolla golpieces. :p

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    My grandfather used to hum "Buddy can you spare a CAC sticker"

    That was after he went into the home.

    Did he have original skin?

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Gods revenged Andy Mellon with a very sad married life. His daughter had a tough time there too.

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    CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...and the yutz from the Titanic lost his life after the crash!

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 2:41PM

    Which yutz?

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even grits?

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Always figured that was why I had such a hard tine finding those 1920's and 30's dimes.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 2:56PM

    I got chastised one time when there was a speck of scrambled eggs on my plate not much bigger than a grit! My grandfather insisted I eat it!

    @topstuf said:
    Even grits?

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 3:09PM

    @LindeDad said:
    Always figured that was why I had such a hard tine finding those 1920's and 30's dimes.

    The Barber coins were greatly affected by the Great Depression. About the time people might have routinely saved some of them "because they were old", most people had no extra margin. So those Barber coins circulated down into the goods and almost good that we so often encounter today.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We have nothing to fear but fear itself. :)

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Grandmother told me stories of being fortunate to have a loaf of bread and a worn out pair of shoes. Her mother used to make rock potato soup, potatoes boiled in water with rocks added for flavor. Never asked what type of rocks, wish I had, God bless ya Gram.

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    I got chastised one time when there was a speck of scrambled eggs on my plate not much bigger than a grit! My grandfather insisted I eat it!

    @topstuf said:
    Even grits?

    My Gram would say the same, you didn't dare get up from the table with food on your plate.

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    CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @morgansforever said:
    My Grandmother told me stories of being fortunate to have a loaf of bread and a worn out pair of shoes. Her mother used to make rock potato soup, potatoes boiled in water with rocks added for flavor. Never asked what type of rocks, wish I had, God bless ya Gram.

    Granite tastes like chicken.

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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @morgansforever said:
    My Grandmother told me stories of being fortunate to have a loaf of bread and a worn out pair of shoes. Her mother used to make rock potato soup, potatoes boiled in water with rocks added for flavor. Never asked what type of rocks, wish I had, God bless ya Gram.

    Granite tastes like chicken.

    What about Limestone?

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it's of any interest, I will swap loaves of bread for gold coins. :p

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @morgansforever said:

    @Coinstartled said:

    @morgansforever said:
    My Grandmother told me stories of being fortunate to have a loaf of bread and a worn out pair of shoes. Her mother used to make rock potato soup, potatoes boiled in water with rocks added for flavor. Never asked what type of rocks, wish I had, God bless ya Gram.

    Granite tastes like chicken.

    What about Limestone?

    HAH! LIMESTONE is for the elites.

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    CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never got the depression schtick at the dinner table. My dad though talked about the nickel to get into the movies on a Saturday and that included an ice cream cone. Of course someone always chimed in with "who had a nickel?"

    I suspect that someone did or the theatre would have been empty.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was tough times for my relatives - my Aunt and Uncle moved into a converted chicken coop after getting married. Other relatives supported themselves on the farm. No one was rich with extra income to collect coins.

    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Never got the depression schtick at the dinner table. My dad though talked about the nickel to get into the movies on a Saturday and that included an ice cream cone. Of course someone always chimed in with "who had a nickel?"

    I suspect that someone did or the theatre would have been empty.

    What flavor cone? Wood?

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of my old bosses was starting his working career in the mid 1930s, living in a rooming house in a hot and humid Midwest city. He often worked at night and slept during the day.

    He told me that movie theaters were one of the few places that had any kind of indoor cooling system, and that he and others would pay the admission and SLEEP in the seats in the back of the theater. The theaters had continuous showings of films, and it was simply too hot to sleep in his room. He could get decent some shut eye for a few hours.

    My Grandparents never mentioned the Depression at mealtime (not that I ever needed encouragement to eat). I once showed them a high grade 1916-D half dollar that I paid a lot for and mentioned the price. After that, I think they thought I was goofy for a while.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with this 110%!

    @BillDugan1959 said:

    @LindeDad said:
    Always figured that was why I had such a hard tine finding those 1920's and 30's dimes.

    The Barber coins were greatly affected by the Great Depression. About the time people might have routinely saved some of them "because they were old", most people had no extra margin. So those Barber coins circulated down into the goods and almost good that we so often encounter today.

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    CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    and the Great Recession was nada compared to the Great Depression....just saying.

    But the cost of the bailouts have not yet been felt.

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    Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2017 6:04PM

    My grandfather worked in a meat packing plant during the depression.. tenderloin for dinner every night

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    Menomonee Falls Wisconsin USA
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @afford said:
    and the Great Recession was nada compared to the Great Depression....just saying.

    But the cost of the bailouts have not yet been felt.

    Everyone who gets to the "fixed income" phase of life will feel it in a hurry.
    Ditto the people who plan to sell their house to the millennials when they get old.

    Almost no one is prepared to pay the bailout bill.

    We'll be lucky to even see a gold coin.

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The boys kicked the can nine years down the road already.

    You all might be wrong.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a customer I worked for, a church organist, who won one in race in school in the 30s. Also a guy whose father who was still alive turned over his gold coins in the 30s as a recent Irish immigrant.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @afford said:
    and the Great Recession was nada compared to the Great Depression....just saying.

    But the cost of the bailouts have not yet been felt.

    Don't forget the quantitative easing. I don't think we had that in the 1930s. The government pretty much cooked the books after the 2008 crash.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2017 4:43AM

    When I was growing up we always went to my Mother's parents on Sunday for dinner.
    My GrandFather worked his whole life in a factory and provided for his wife and six children.
    He was a machinist and a mold maker.
    At dinner time he always told everyone,,,,
    "take all you want but eat all you take."
    Everyone always cleaned off their plate.

    GrandAm :)
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    oldgoldloveroldgoldlover Posts: 429 ✭✭✭

    When I was growing up all my father gave me was a through ass woopin.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldgoldlover said:
    When I was growing up all my father gave me was a through ass woopin.

    Did you deserve it? ;)

    GrandAm :)
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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I would ask my Mom for some change, she would say "No money, no funny". I always remembered that. Her parents lived a tough life, but like all the others here, they etched their way through.

    Funny what people will do when their desperate. Grandpa and Grandma were immigrants. They married in 1923 after meeting in a pants factory. Grandpa got a better job at a valve company and Mom was born in 1926.

    Grandpa got laid off when the Depression hit. Mom was 3. My Aunt came along in 1931, my Uncle in 1933.

    Desperate for work, Grandpa heard that the Grasselli Chemical Co. was hiring. He risked life and limb when He cut the line to get in. Grandpa never drove, walked to work every day, and never missed a day of work.

    Man, they were all tough cookies!

    No one in my family ever talked politics, at least not when I was around. They would talk about how they re used things, and about how the alleys were so clean because everyone used the wood for heat.

    They never complained. I learned from them by example, which was the best way. They never pointed a finger in my face and lectured. I deeply loved them.

    Move along.............................................

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Mom and Dad lived through the Depression... many stories of how they made it through. We learned that food was not wasted and work was mandatory...Got my first job at eight years old...School was very important, and had to show my Dad my daily assignment book, and finish homework before going out. Those hard times made hard people, but those people were the 'greatest generation'.... Cheers, RickO

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was tough times for everybody except the top 1pct.

    Investor
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    It was tough times for everybody except the top 1pct.

    I'm glad that's all over. :D

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    ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 795 ✭✭✭

    Judging from the obituaries in my local paper, much of the population of Western Canada moved to WA State during the Depression and the War. No wonder I bought so much Canadian coins cheap while in high school.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    It was tough times for everybody except the top 1pct.

    I am not disagreeing, and this was perspective was always my assumption, but I was reminded at some point that many people did still have jobs, and I assume if you had one you were in OK shape. Maybe better than OK since many others did not have jobs and you had more buying power in that scenario. I suspect that for many the Depression was a time of general malaise, stagnation, and deprivation, but not necessarily for everyone personally.

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    jedmjedm Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Our grandparents and parents experienced and learned from the hard times, then carried those values through their whole life, and instilled in many of us the same. I'm currently reading a great book that has a variety of similar personal history stories on the subject "My American Century" by Studs Terkel. I recommend it to anyone interested in history directly from the folks that lived it.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terkel was a character. I corresponded with him once or twice years ago. He had a few books like the one you mention. That was his specialty I think - telling our history through the eyes (and words) of ordinary Americans.

    One of my favorite quotes comes from someone whose story was told in his book Working : “Most of us have jobs that are too small for our spirits.”

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    oldgoldloveroldgoldlover Posts: 429 ✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:

    @oldgoldlover said:
    When I was growing up all my father gave me was a through ass woopin.

    Did you deserve it? ;)

    Some times but not the way he did it. He would loose control, a situation when a person is at their weakest, of himself and take it out on some else. When I got bigger than him was he announced no more spankings. Neighbors and life long friends still comment on his method of punishing.

    I never touched my kids and they never needed it. Not saying privileges were not taken away but if you have to beat someone with a hose you need to rethink your parenting skills. Just an example of old fashion east Texas discipline and ignorance on my fathers side of the family.

    Now that I think about it NO as he never had to bail me out of jail or go to school to get me reinstated because of trouble. I had two brothers and we would get into a scuffle and he would come out and beat us for hitting each other. Never did make any sense to me.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,332 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grandpa lost his Minneapolis/ Moline implement dealership ....Then grew old hearing : " Nothin' runs like a Deere".

    If the output exceeds the income, the upkeep will be the downfall.

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    The first people to get jobs and be able to make money during the depression were the college educated. A focus was put on those children of that generation to get a good education, a push to get them to college. This was drilled into their heads and later their grandchildren. We got to the point where we decided as a society everyone needed to go to college even if it was for a degree in underwater basket weaving, sociology or women studies. Someone forgot we need to tell some people you need to learn how to paint fingernails or turn a wrench.

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