Calling Fred Weinberg and error enthusiasts..
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About 17.5 millimeters cant get the weight my scale is to big..
What do I have here? I cannot figure it out totally.
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An off-center, uniface, stretch strike.
The zinc ring on the central obverse appears to be pre-stike damage of some sort, because a portion was simply off-set from the strike. It would be very difficult to reproduce that same effect post-strike. Likely true for the exposed zinc on the coin's rim too.
Confusing pics. How about a couple more angles on the thing?
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What is it made of looks like glass or plastic, what size is it?
An off center die partial capped die (clogged feeder) corroded Zincoln ?
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17.5 MM in size.....I don't have a scale to weight properly more photos added... it is metal
Well, the planchet got stuck in the Mint's washing machine.....
But seriously, folks, the planchet did get stuck in some sort of machine where it rotated and became damaged. The damage reduced the diameter and caused the feed fingers to misfeed the planchet and it ended up atop another planchet.
Nice error, I just wish it were copper and not crappy zinc.
That's amazing that it still has a perfectly readable date and just the front of Lincolns face. Very cool.
If the planchets were being made at an outside manufacturer back then, maybe it arrived at the mint already defective and triggering the error strike as @CaptHenway described.
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Quite possible. Perhaps caught in the upsetting mill?
...or it is not genuine. Lots of fake errors have been made in the last four years. Just another possibility to consider. "Stretched planchet?" That's a new one on me. Where's Fred!?
Sure he's not ripping out a plaster wall to get to those 43D cent webbing?
Interesting.... that would be tough to manufacture as a fake error... especially with the date and partial portrait.....Cheers, RickO
I am inclined to believe it genuine until proven otherwise. Just wish I could figure out how the planchet got damaged.
see that part with the little "v" piece missing?
can you shoot a photo of that area from the top, overhead of the "v" area?
More likely it got caught in counting or rolling equipment, you can see the edge is even rolled slightly on the struck portion of the planchet as well.
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ahhh
As I said - possibility of fake.
@ricko, decades ago, fakers were stamping genuine planchets with legible parts remaining on genuine "destroyed, cancelled, or discarded scrap mint dies. The Chinese went way past that with all sorts of counterfeit state quarter errors several years ago.
As to the OP's coin, something really strange happened to the unstruck portion that appears to be much larger in diameter than a cent. Where's Fred! LOL.
I don't think planchets are counted, other than by gross weight.
When you say rolling equipment, which form of rolling are you talking about? The strip had already been rolled and the blank punched out and copper plated, so those rollers are out, and planchets are not rolled in paper wrappers while still in the mint prior to meeting the coining press.
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That crack in the metal does not appear to be abnormal for a "stretch strike" of this magnitude.
Interesting.
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The coin is genuine, imo - I haven't seen any 1987 era
counterfeits that would lend me to think this is anything
but genuine.
As discussed, the dark circle on the planchet appears to
have been there before it was struck, including probably
the outer rim areas that are darker, where machinery
came in contact with not only the surfaces, but the edges/rims.
I've seen a similar, not exact, look to other cents that have
come from counting room sources, but this one can be
attributed to pre-minting (and maybe some post-minting)
damage of the planchet -
At least we know it's a 1987 error.
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Thanks Fred, is it worth holdering? or will it come back damaged?
Thanks everyone. I cannot get any closer pictures sorry
After it was struck, on the way into a 50¢ roll.
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After looking at it again, I see it was damaged, then struck, very cool.
Fished super early this am and I am tired and did not use my brain first time around.
It's not worth slabbing, imo.
Thanks Fred!!
Late to the party I guess but will add my 2C anyway. I think it's 100% legit and agree with GoldenEgg's description, and also think it could worth slabbing IF the price is right. The reason I say this is because there are many off center coins combined with planchet errors because the planchet misfeeds due to the planchet error itself, but in this case it looks to be correct diameter and about correct weight. I really like it!
Without seeing it in person to be "100%" sure, it looks to me like an off-center cent with a uniface reverse, and struck on a pre-strike damaged planchet. It's worth checking its diameter and see if it corresponds with a Roosevelt dime's. Planchets from one denomination have been known to go through the wrong upset mill of another denomination before being struck.
I've had a cent very similar coin to this, struck off-center on a cent planchet which looked a lot like this except for the circular area of missing metal in the coin's central area.