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I'm an expert now...
Smittys
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It's about time right? Congratulations! I enjoy your posts.
I wonder what it takes to earn that coveted 5th star though ?
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
They say you are only considered an expert, when someone else calls you an expert.
I believe it happens when you get over 1000 points.
4 stars happens at 500 points.
Boy I guess they hand that out to anyone.
Congratulations my coin brother
You da man now!!!
@coindeuce said: "I wonder what it takes to earn that coveted 5th star though?"
I am a curious sort so when I joined CU I tried to figure out the "ropes" by looking at members profiles.
Based on that, this is my guess as there are a lot of factors involved. I believe the main thing is the number of points a member accrues. Time on CU probably counts also yet the knowledge of the member is very important. Example: If a John Albanese, Eric Newman, etc signed up as an unknown and was an active member on a daily basis, my guess is they would get five stars in less than a year. Most points seem to come from the agrees and likes a member has. However, there is more going on than that. I believe the moderators also judge members on the quality of the discussions they start and the "traffic" they generate. For example, a discussion with 1.2K views and a large # of replies certainly should add points even if no one agrees or likes the post. We are also probably judged on our opinions.
It boils down to this: I'm guessing as only the Mods know for sure. There are some unexplained ratings on CU where novices with very few posts, agrees, and likes are "Master Collectors." There are also some very prolific and famous members here who don't fit my suggestions above.
There may be an algorithm that determines star ratings, but I doubt that there is any proactive involvement by mods to that extent.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Of course there is a "set of rules" (algorithm) that runs this forum. What I'm stating that there is more than a computer assigning points and stars. Proof of this is to take out a sheet of paper and start clicking on the 4 & 5 star members. Record their total stats like the back of a baseball card. I'll bet someone can figure it out.
Example: It is very easy to figure out the system for "badges." Reach a certain number of "Likes," get a badge. I don't think this is computer generated as a member may get 267 "Likes" before the 250 "Likes" badge appears in the profile weeks later.
I'm done here as I need to keep in mind that "Curiosity killed the cat."
With all due respect, I think you have set a record for disagrees!
Just like work, get 1000 attaboys, all it takes is one "Oh sh*t" and your score goes back to zero!
I just looked, you have 4 STARS, I only have 3!
I got bumped to "Veteran" today. It feels good, but nothing like being an expert. Congrats Smitty! But don't get the big head
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I'm not sure either as I ascended to it very quickly. I've always been a quick study though.
We have discussed the "star system" on prior threads, such as:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11731551#Comment_11731551
Here's what we figured out:
* = 0 - 49 points [Member]
** = 50 - 99 [Veteran]
*** = 100 - 499 [Collector]
**** = 500 - 999 [Expert Collector]
***** = 1000 + [Master Collector]
Note that your exact "points" value is not displayed on your post - only the "Posts" (a count) is displayed.
And "points" have only been awarded since the new Forum software was released (some months ago).
For example, that's why I have 1,478 Posts, but under 1,000 "points" - many of my posts were prior to the new software.
@yosclimber said: "We have discussed the "star system" on prior threads, such as:
Yep, Note that I was the OP and you helped figure it out.
Thanks, but that does not reveal how to get the "HIDDEN" points. Example: One well deserved 5 star member has total 931 likes/agrees (you get a point for each) soooo...the kick that got him over 1000 is what?
I could probably figure out the formula used in the point system by running a linear regression. Or by experimentation.
Experimentation:
1 point per Like
1 point per Agree
0 points per LOL
Linear regression:
1 point per Like
1 point per Agree
9 points per Badge
no significant coefficients on the other variables (disagree, LOL, spam, abuse, Posts, visits).
Method of estimation = Ordinary Least Squares Dependent variable: POINTS Current sample: 1 to 23 Number of observations: 23 Mean of dep. var. = 803.478 LM het. test = .482364 [.487] Std. dev. of dep. var. = 970.145 Durbin-Watson = 2.74306 [<1.00] Sum of squared residuals = 6208.43 Jarque-Bera test = 3.81875 [.148] Variance of residuals = 477.571 Ramsey's RESET2 = 22.5201 [.000] Std. error of regression = 21.8534 F (zero slopes) = 4815.98 [.000] R-squared = .999700 Schwarz B.I.C. = 112.692 Adjusted R-squared = .999493 Log likelihood = -97.0145 Estimated Standard Variable Coefficient Error t-statistic P-value AGREE 1.06534 .052512 20.2878 [.000] LIKE 1.04998 .026114 40.2081 [.000] BADGES 9.00294 1.46602 6.14108 [.000] VISITS .019446 .014853 1.30924 [.213] POSTS .321762E-03 .172235E-02 .186815 [.855] LOL .074424 .117276 .634603 [.537] DISAGREE .018446 .024054 .766861 [.457] SPAM -14.2605 8.43526 -1.69058 [.115] ABUSE -.110200 3.51646 -.031338 [.975] C -54.8503 27.6404 -1.98442 [.069]That's not what PCGS thought with your last submission
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Badges. The difference is badges. Sometimes you do need some stinking badges.
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Well then, it must be true!!
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I'm still just a Collector with this...
Can't be 9 points per badge as I have 6 badges but only 39 points.
Not to take away from op accomplishments, but let's face it , we all have our areas of expertise , and areas of..........non expertise. So this collector..... Expert system is really meaningless
Again , not trying take away from op. Congrats!
It can be if there's a -54 intercept....
(This would give some people negative points, though....).
I'm still working on the model; might get a better fit....
I agree, the points system is pretty much meaningless, unless it helps encourage some people to make posts which other people enjoy.
For me, it's mostly just a puzzle to play with.
There are some things that I just don't give a rat's ass about........and that is how many stars I have on this forum. If I ever get to 1000 points, I would probably get bammed and have to start over. Coinstartled is too good....he is an alt that has learned self restraint?
OINK
I ran a model on 17 users who have joined since the new Forum software was released (October 11, 2016),
since I figure all of their Activity would be counted by the new software.
In this one, it's still 1 point per Agree and Like, and about 3.7 points per Badge, and 1 point for 3 Discussions started (and -2 points per 100 visits):
Method of estimation = Ordinary Least Squares Dependent variable: POINTS Number of observations: 17 Mean of dep. var. = 217.471 LM het. test = 2.31408 [.128] Std. dev. of dep. var. = 387.432 Durbin-Watson = 1.68927 [<.762] Sum of squared residuals = 171.823 Jarque-Bera test = .797269 [.671] Variance of residuals = 17.1823 Ramsey's RESET2 = 1.66624 [.229] Std. error of regression = 4.14515 F (zero slopes) = 23294.2 [.000] R-squared = .999928 Schwarz B.I.C. = 53.7008 Adjusted R-squared = .999886 Log likelihood = -43.7846 Estimated Standard Variable Coefficient Error t-statistic P-value AGREE 1.26451 .066270 19.0811 [.000] LIKE 1.09819 .049759 22.0704 [.000] BADGES 3.73125 .409017 9.12250 [.000] VISITS -.026769 .539330E-02 -4.96331 [.001] POSTS -.592302E-02 .025178 -.235249 [.819] DISCUSSIONS .342122 .088372 3.87139 [.003] C 1.12983 1.76080 .641658 [.536]Since we are pretty sure the coefs on Agree and Like are 1, we can estimate a restricted model on the remainder
net_points = points - agree - like :
Dependent variable: NET_POINTS Number of observations: 17 Mean of dep. var. = 56.4118 LM het. test = .389354 [.533] Std. dev. of dep. var. = 79.2276 Durbin-Watson = 2.26719 [<.923] Sum of squared residuals = 460.207 Jarque-Bera test = 1.45936 [.482] Variance of residuals = 38.3505 Ramsey's RESET2 = 16.9124 [.002] Std. error of regression = 6.19278 F (zero slopes) = 651.698 [.000] R-squared = .995418 Schwarz B.I.C. = 59.2419 Adjusted R-squared = .993890 Log likelihood = -52.1589 Estimated Standard Variable Coefficient Error t-statistic P-value BADGES 3.16410 .574652 5.50612 [.000] VISITS -.026593 .805673E-02 -3.30072 [.006] POSTS .072720 .608082E-02 11.9590 [.000] DISCUSSIONS .582124 .096400 6.03864 [.000] C .636241 2.61948 .242888 [.812]My guess is that different Badges are worth different numbers of points?
This is a trolling thread, right?
Badges are likes, agrees mostly and = points. LOL badges don't count for points and years around don't seem to matter much either. Example: Cascade made 5 stars in less than a year due to points and content.
As I wrote. I'll bet a mod checks content, and what each member brings to the forums. IMO, that's where the "hidden" points are given.
You are a perfect example. not many points from likes and agrees but you are obviously important around here as you have over 100 (hidden) points for doing something else "right."
@ColonelJessup is another fly-in-the-equation, IMO he has the knowledge and should be a 5 star member yet see his post above. Then again, the freedom of not giving a rat's butt about trivia is its own reward.
I thought an expert was anyone fifty miles from home with a briefcase...
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
For me, it's mostly just a puzzle to play with also. @yosclimber, you may be getting close as discussions started and the popularity of the discussion keeps the board active. Checked at NGC today and the forum is dead as usual.
I still am 100 % convinced that human decisions are involved in some way with the point system. On occasion, I'll jump 3 points for one like and one agree. The one extra point comes from somewhere - and it ain't the tooth fairy! LOL.
I heard this definition in a speech given by Charles Hoskins, a former Director of the ANA's Certification Service in D.C.
The word "expert" has two roots, "ex" from or out of; and "pert" a little drip under pressure.
To each his/her own. One thing I don't give a rat's ass about is RED, BROWN, OR BLUE NDIAN CENTS!
Only kidding but I got you for a minute right?
An expert is someone who has been specifically called in by others to fix a problem that has occurred more than fifty miles away from his/her home.
By clinking on some of the newer members you can figure out how some of the points are earned.
1 point for each like
1 point for each agree
2 points for the first comment badge
5 points for most other badges.
I think if you upload a profile pick that badge is worth 10 points.
Probably some of the other badges are worth more than 5 points.
Not sure if there is a subtraction of points if your post gets flagged as abuse.
The people that have been here many years got a bunch of points and badges for the past years that they have been here once they started to post under the new software platform.
Never knew there was so much to the point system. Looks like I have a ways to go to get 4 stars.
Stupid me......I didn't even know we had points.
I feel so ashamed....
It's because the 3,207 Posts don't yield any "points" directly.
Instead you need "Agrees" or "Likes" on the Posts to get "points", and those would mostly be on your Posts made since October 2016. (So the points system is biased towards posts made since October 2016).
You currently have 246 points from 21 Agrees, 73 Likes, and 22 Badges.
(Of course, it's all a bit of a game; the real value is in the content of your posts!).
Probably if someone just posed the question to the pinned post about the new software, they could get an official answer....Cheers, RickO
Interesting.
I just post on here with no regard to getting a "Like" or "Agree" and more about coins itself.
@ricko said: "Probably if someone just posed the question to the pinned post about the new software, they could get an official answer....Cheers, RickO"
I bet you will not!
That's what the forums are all about. As for me, I'm the kid who took everything apart to see how it worked.