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1798 Die Clash at 1 o'clock or...?

sjk1776sjk1776 Posts: 132 ✭
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2017 6:36PM

    Nice S-167, and great photos!
    The reference manual lists them as die chips, that appear in Die State II, and continue through Die State VI. They run in a line above the O in ONE, through the E in STATES, as you can see in your example. I believe yours is a Die State III example.

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  • sjk1776sjk1776 Posts: 132 ✭

    Ahh, die chips..never heard of that, but thanks for the great info on the die state and the pic compliments. It took a few tries and and few IPA's to get it just right!

    Colonial and Continental Currency Collector.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The other word they used was 'scaling' - which I had never heard before - perhaps Captain Henway or someone can tell us where that word came from.
    It's also an R-1 for the variety, but certainly those die breaks and nice planchet add greatly to the overall appeal.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't want to be a "Donny Downer", but what about the recessed area between "S" and "O" in the OP first and second image? Those are not die chips touching the "S".

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  • sjk1776sjk1776 Posts: 132 ✭

    Part of the clash? Reference coin for the S-167 variety.

    http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s167.jpg

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those look like minor pmd to me.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I don't want to be a "Donny Downer", but what about the recessed area between "S" and "O" in the OP first and second image? Those are not die chips touching the "S".

    I am inclined to agree. Looks more like pre-strike damage to the planchet. Note also the IB of LIBERTY on the obverse. That looks like a planchet ding.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those do look like damage... the central rectangular shape could be 'scale'...Cheers, RickO

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, I thought the OP was referring to the raised area through the top of the wreath below the S and O, not the concave pi symbol between the S and the O. That looks like damage, pre or post mint, I can't tell.

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  • sjk1776sjk1776 Posts: 132 ✭

    Thanks for all of the input! Now I need a 1/2 cent to keep her company.

    Colonial and Continental Currency Collector.

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