If a coin does NOT pass the expert, infallible, bygawd for shure, gold medal, scrutiny of the god of all grades, then it follows that having a coin regraded DOWN....."should" bring it into ...um..."conformity" with the holy standards.
Not when the TPG refuses to downgrade the coin. You are then stuck with an in-between-coin that now suffers from impaired liquidity because it doesn't have a sticker. There are obvious exceptions, but large numbers of collectors will look the other way because of the absence of a CAC sticker.
And....as such, will be avoided and thus help wreck the hobby unless a NEW specious gimmick comes along.
If a coin does NOT pass the expert, infallible, bygawd for shure, gold medal, scrutiny of the god of all grades, then it follows that having a coin regraded DOWN....."should" bring it into ...um..."conformity" with the holy standards.
Not when the TPG refuses to downgrade the coin. You are then stuck with an in-between-coin that now suffers from impaired liquidity because it doesn't have a sticker. There are obvious exceptions, but large numbers of collectors will look the other way because of the absence of a CAC sticker.
And....as such, will be avoided and thus help wreck the hobby unless a NEW specious gimmick comes along.
Maybe someone will come up with a problem free sticker. I would start one except no one would care about my opinion on a coin.
Maybe someone will come up with a problem free sticker. I would start one except no one would care about my opinion on a coin.
I'd have no problem if they were honest and capitalized enough to have skin in the game with a new GRADING service.
NEW slabs. THEN compete with the big dogs.
HA!
Never happen, this half baked (but brilliantly shoved into the market) abortion has taken too much hold already. Only public opinion and analysis of exactly WHAT the devil they....contribute... to the hobby will change anything.
Maybe ...YOU... would even be decent enough to state your REASONS so there could be some debate on your assessment.
@mommam17 said:
"A much respected dealer who has been buying and selling southern gold since the late 1960s." That's just 1, you said experts?
You obviously a CAC fan, and nothing that anyone has to say will change your mind. You believe that JA knows everything. I'm not going to pull other people by name into this because it could cause them trouble for no reason. You love CAC; I am skeptical because of some of the coins I have seen. Let's just leave at that, and you can go away believing that you won the argument.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@topstuf said:
The PREMISE of grade approval should be the ENTIRE range of the grade.
Otherwise, grading is moot and degrees become the norm.
It's either a VF20 or it's NOT.
My opinion.
Everyone wants to split hairs when it comes to grading.
I suppose that's why there are four grades of VF 20,25,30,35
And we are supposed (if we buy the gimmick) to believe that those are really TWELVE grades.
Taking A,B, and C rates on each of those divisions.
Or to expand on that a little are there 33 MS grades. Oh wait, what about un-stickered coins that have never been to CAC. Make that 44 MS grades/opinions?
To answer your original question if I bought them in the first place I would keep them all unless I was in the business and bought them for resale. In that case I would try to learn from the experience, hone my buying skills, and sell them all.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
Yes, I am a fan of CAC from the beginning when you wanted it to fail. Why would you say, I think JA knows everything. So WRONG! Yes, you are skeptical of CAC, until you had to get that $50 checked out by John. One man has so much power because the market/people believe in him. It wasn't given or bestowed, it was earned. Good Day.....
When the experts need a second opinion who do they ask? It's almost always John Albanese. I've seen and heard it over and over again with my own eyes and ears. This includes several folks at PCGS and those on the board of experts. Yet so many non experts can't stand the thought of using CAC or don't see the need for it. I think some are just fooling themselves. They just know better. To each is own. Doesn't bother me.
I have to admit I was against CAC in the beginning and it took me a couple years to see the value. I can't imagine what gradflation would look like without it.
These are only my opinions based on my own eyes, ears and noodle
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Maybe someone will come up with a problem free sticker. I would start one except no one would care about my opinion on a coin.
I'd have no problem if they were honest and capitalized enough to have skin in the game with a new GRADING service.
NEW slabs. THEN compete with the big dogs.
HA!
Never happen, this half baked (but brilliantly shoved into the market) abortion has taken too much hold already. Only public opinion and analysis of exactly WHAT the devil they....contribute... to the hobby will change anything.
Maybe ...YOU... would even be decent enough to state your REASONS so there could be some debate on your assessment.
I don't blame CAC. I think it offers a valuable service and learning tool. With that said, there are definitely some secondary effects that I believe were unanticipated. My real disagreement/problem is with market participants and what I see as erratic, sometimes illogical, and perhaps even obsessive compulsive behavior that is being displayed on a wide scale.
I'm also not sure that CAC will ultimately work long term as it was intended. CAC supposedly works based on the idea that stickered coins will become "untethered" value wise from non-CAC coins. I'm not sure this is entirely possible. As the gap between CAC and non-CAC coins increases, the market will only tolerate but so much of a gap or premium. For instance, is a 66.6 really worth double a 66.2? 3x or more? For the vast majority of U.S. issues, I don't think it is. This is especially true when the vast majority of U.S. coins, even the so-called "collectible ones," are far from being truly rare. One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop. CAC is probably around a decade old. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next five to ten years.
The only thing I know is that it makes me feel queasy that the same coin with a different label and a sticker could go from being "dreck" to highly sought after. It is also concerning when a high end 63 with a CAC sticker can sell for more than a low end 64 without a sticker, assuming of course that the eye appeal is appropriate and all other factors are equal. It should not be controversial to say that it is the COIN that should matter. In many cases, I wonder whether it really does any more to the majority of market participants.
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
I think me getting a four hour erection is much more likely. If I ever do get one its speed dial time. Hopefully I get through the C's
You are one of my favorite posters but I think you are starting to lose it
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If they were good enough to buy in the first place, they are good enough to keep even if they don't bean.
this may be the POTD on this topic. in other words, you would allow CAC to inform you that your coins are unworthy of your ownership?? that's ludicrous, yet all but one choice in the Poll supports that notion.
I didn't answer the poll because the choices did not match what I would do - not even sure what that is.
I sent my coins to cac to learn, was contemplating selling some had not decided that. Went for another opinion, and JA is a better grader than I so thought I would learn something. Yes it worries me that his opinion has so much weight, but thats a larger issue.
What did I learn? Silver I refined my grading skills. Copper I learned the look that cac likes, which is not necessarily mainstream on circulated copper. Gold I am befuddled on. Gold coins that I thought would not sticker didnt. Gold coins I thought most would sticker didnt.
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
I think me getting a four hour erection is much more likely. If I ever do get one its speed dial time. Hopefully I get through the C's
You are one of my favorite posters but I think you are starting to lose it
mark
LOSE it???
Grrrr splytt sphttt!
No sticker for YOU!
Your surfaces smell of elderberries!
@keets said: If they were good enough to buy in the first place, they are good enough to keep even if they don't bean.
this may be the POTD on this topic. in other words, you would allow CAC to inform you that your coins are unworthy of your ownership?? that's ludicrous, yet all but one choice in the Poll supports that notion.
How does this dramatic assertion reconcile with Bill Jones admission that he bought a bad coin in 2011. You know, cuz he was just starting out in the field six years ago...
Bottom line is we all still have something to learn...and many of those thinking they don't have the most to go.
I was a long time collector and still learned from John, when he saw my coins in 2007. I was able to refine my collection to make it better. My non CAC Grant, Cincinnati and Lincoln from my collection were sold and replaced with nicer CAC coins. Yes, those coins were in my collection and I was happy with them, but I am much happier with their replacements.
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
@mommam17 said:
"A much respected dealer who has been buying and selling southern gold since the late 1960s." That's just 1, you said experts?
You obviously a CAC fan, and nothing that anyone has to say will change your mind. You believe that JA knows everything. I'm not going to pull other people by name into this because it could cause them trouble for no reason. You love CAC; I am skeptical because of some of the coins I have seen. Let's just leave at that, and you can go away believing that you won the argument.
There is no arguement to be won. You have an opinion and so does mommam17.
By the rate collectors and dealers are sending coins into to CAC it's fair to say they have a huge following. It's not a fad but a reality. It's also fair to say detractors have a voice and their concerns are duly noted.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Yes, as a CAC supporter, I've been told I follow JA blindly and now I'm told, I believe JA knows everything. I've also been told, that I think JA is perfect and does not make mistakes. It is wrong, but 10 years later it continues........
I don't want to lose my message in strident repetition.
This will be my last post in...this...thread. I will continue to express my concerns with CAC in others as they arrive.
I started this poll because I am actually ....contemplating.... selling everything that is not "in conformity" to the latest market requirement.
And, unfortuntately I ...did.... subject 4 coins to the exam.
The submission was through a nationally respected dealer who is a submitter to CAC.
I brought in a group of coins that ....I.... (a mere dealer from 1979-2003) considered to be "candidates."
We (the dealer who submits piles of stuff to CAC and I) went through the material selecting which we ...thought... would have the best shot. This, mind you, an assessment of two EXPERIENCED coin DEALERS who keep up with the trends.
Results? 1 out of 4
Weird thing is that the one that ...did.... "measure up" was the one we ...debated.... submitting. (one of those "oh well, why not" things.
It has a dent in it. No matter, I have an early gold coin with a fairly significant rim nick that is stickered from the early days.
MY misfortune (if you can call it that) is that my main interest is in ..EARLY.. coins. The ones LEAST likely to get the beloved kiss.
OUR misfortune is that if I decide to dump the non stickered coins, I will also quit the hobby that has provided me 40 years of pleasure. AND....the average 5-10k a month or so that I add to the demand side of the market.
"So what?" Okay....so what.
I do not and will not accept this arbitrary judgment of coins so long as the stupid A,B,C idiocy is the criteria.
That's like saying, "Yes, you have a very good and loving wife. But her two sisters are better."
So off my soapbox in THIS poll/thread.
The coin market will judge if this new gimcrack will be good or bad for all of numismatics.
Ciao, folks. Don't take no wooden nickels.
Unless they're stickered.
what are the five coins? what do they look like? how much do I have in them? what sets are they part of? how did i acquire them? do i have a buyer for them? do i agree with the results? why didn't they cac?
there's no way to answer this poll for me.
i have sent in coins that did sticker and ones that haven't. i have sold ones that sticker and ones that don't also.
sometimes i think the cac haters just don't get it.
Given how much product (e.g. coins) was being manufactured (e.g. slabbed and put into the market) by a duopolistic system, without an arbiter in place the system began to break down. CAC became an arbiter to bring checks and balances (in lieu of government regulation) to a system that was starting to run amok, and thus has unquestionably added value to those that didn't benefit from a duopolistic system and reduced value to those that did. To date no one else has decided to invest their own time and money to create a second arbiter since the people who have gained value as a result of CAC do not see a need for a second arbiter, while the people who have lost value as a result of CAC wish for the arbiter of a duopolistic system to go away so that they can continue to reap financial benefits from a system that was running amok. That about sums up all the CAC rhetoric. I do believe that CAC is necessary to keep the market dynamics in check...that's not to say that multiple arbiters shouldn't exist, but simply to say that CAC should.
Their opinion not a factor for me in getting rid of a coin - mine is.
To answer op I would keep all as the submission to CAC is to get more money on the ones that sticker - nothing changes on the others especially if I consider them nice coins for retail.
If I were a mass CAC submitter possibly the material that not sticker wb at bid plus 10 to 25 pct but the CAC material at bid plus 40 or 50 pct or possibly higher.
At shows I do not display prices but have a sticker on back of slab w cost and sell code. Another code may give sell price basis.
@topstuf said:
I don't want to lose my message in strident repetition.
This will be my last post in...this...thread. I will continue to express my concerns with CAC in others as they arrive.
I started this poll because I am actually ....contemplating.... selling everything that is not "in conformity" to the latest market requirement.
And, unfortuntately I ...did.... subject 4 coins to the exam.
The submission was through a nationally respected dealer who is a submitter to CAC.
I brought in a group of coins that ....I.... (a mere dealer from 1979-2003) considered to be "candidates."
We (the dealer who submits piles of stuff to CAC and I) went through the material selecting which we ...thought... would have the best shot. This, mind you, an assessment of two EXPERIENCED coin DEALERS who keep up with the trends.
Results? 1 out of 4
Weird thing is that the one that ...did.... "measure up" was the one we ...debated.... submitting. (one of those "oh well, why not" things.
It has a dent in it. No matter, I have an early gold coin with a fairly significant rim nick that is stickered from the early days.
MY misfortune (if you can call it that) is that my main interest is in ..EARLY.. coins. The ones LEAST likely to get the beloved kiss.
OUR misfortune is that if I decide to dump the non stickered coins, I will also quit the hobby that has provided me 40 years of pleasure. AND....the average 5-10k a month or so that I add to the demand side of the market.
"So what?" Okay....so what.
I do not and will not accept this arbitrary judgment of coins so long as the stupid A,B,C idiocy is the criteria.
That's like saying, "Yes, you have a very good and loving wife. But her two sisters are better."
So off my soapbox in THIS poll/thread.
The coin market will judge if this new gimcrack will be good or bad for all of numismatics.
Ciao, folks. Don't take no wooden nickels.
Unless they're stickered.
i don't get why no sticker makes the coin a bad coin and > @Justacommeman said:
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
I think me getting a four hour erection is much more likely. If I ever do get one its speed dial time. Hopefully I get through the C's
You are one of my favorite posters but I think you are starting to lose it
mark
don't run in the house with one trying to get to the phone. you might run into something.
@steveben said:
i don't get why no sticker makes the coin a bad coin and > @Justacommeman said:
@topstuf said:
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
I think me getting a four hour erection is much more likely. If I ever do get one its speed dial time. Hopefully I get through the C's
You are one of my favorite posters but I think you are starting to lose it
mark
don't run in the house with one trying to get to the phone. you might run into something.
I picture it as me knocking over all the lamps
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Bruce, we all make mistakes, I have admitted as much in other threads and will fess up to it now. my point was clear, why should we place the worthiness of coins in our collections based on an approval sticker from a grading service?? it is similar to sending a coin I believe to be an MS65 in for grading to PCGS. if it grades MS64 I would sell it??
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And....as such, will be avoided and thus help wreck the hobby unless a NEW specious gimmick comes along.
Maybe someone will come up with a problem free sticker. I would start one except no one would care about my opinion on a coin.
I'd have no problem if they were honest and capitalized enough to have skin in the game with a new GRADING service.
NEW slabs. THEN compete with the big dogs.
HA!
Never happen, this half baked (but brilliantly shoved into the market) abortion has taken too much hold already. Only public opinion and analysis of exactly WHAT the devil they....contribute...
to the hobby will change anything.
Maybe ...YOU... would even be decent enough to state your REASONS so there could be some debate on your assessment.
I'd wake up from my dream.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
"A much respected dealer who has been buying and selling southern gold since the late 1960s." That's just 1, you said experts?
You obviously a CAC fan, and nothing that anyone has to say will change your mind. You believe that JA knows everything. I'm not going to pull other people by name into this because it could cause them trouble for no reason. You love CAC; I am skeptical because of some of the coins I have seen. Let's just leave at that, and you can go away believing that you won the argument.
Or to expand on that a little are there 33 MS grades. Oh wait, what about un-stickered coins that have never been to CAC. Make that 44 MS grades/opinions?
To answer your original question if I bought them in the first place I would keep them all unless I was in the business and bought them for resale. In that case I would try to learn from the experience, hone my buying skills, and sell them all.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
Yes, I am a fan of CAC from the beginning when you wanted it to fail. Why would you say, I think JA knows everything. So WRONG! Yes, you are skeptical of CAC, until you had to get that $50 checked out by John. One man has so much power because the market/people believe in him. It wasn't given or bestowed, it was earned. Good Day.....
When the experts need a second opinion who do they ask? It's almost always John Albanese. I've seen and heard it over and over again with my own eyes and ears. This includes several folks at PCGS and those on the board of experts. Yet so many non experts can't stand the thought of using CAC or don't see the need for it. I think some are just fooling themselves. They just know better. To each is own. Doesn't bother me.
I have to admit I was against CAC in the beginning and it took me a couple years to see the value. I can't imagine what gradflation would look like without it.
These are only my opinions based on my own eyes, ears and noodle
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
To each his own.
This gimmick's end can't come too soon.
IF.... the bean signified "good for grade" I'd have no gripe.
But it does NOT!
Why waste your money, you'll need it to patch the holes in your UNAPPROVED dreck.
Hey HRH, ya wanna take up a collection to BUY the engine of your destruction?
I don't blame CAC. I think it offers a valuable service and learning tool. With that said, there are definitely some secondary effects that I believe were unanticipated. My real disagreement/problem is with market participants and what I see as erratic, sometimes illogical, and perhaps even obsessive compulsive behavior that is being displayed on a wide scale.
I'm also not sure that CAC will ultimately work long term as it was intended. CAC supposedly works based on the idea that stickered coins will become "untethered" value wise from non-CAC coins. I'm not sure this is entirely possible. As the gap between CAC and non-CAC coins increases, the market will only tolerate but so much of a gap or premium. For instance, is a 66.6 really worth double a 66.2? 3x or more? For the vast majority of U.S. issues, I don't think it is. This is especially true when the vast majority of U.S. coins, even the so-called "collectible ones," are far from being truly rare. One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop. CAC is probably around a decade old. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next five to ten years.
The only thing I know is that it makes me feel queasy that the same coin with a different label and a sticker could go from being "dreck" to highly sought after. It is also concerning when a high end 63 with a CAC sticker can sell for more than a low end 64 without a sticker, assuming of course that the eye appeal is appropriate and all other factors are equal. It should not be controversial to say that it is the COIN that should matter. In many cases, I wonder whether it really does any more to the majority of market participants.
One possible long-term effect is that by driving down the prices of non-CAC coins, CAC may indirectly cause the value of its own products to become stagnant or drop.
Gosh!
Ya think? Of COURSE CAC will cause a drop.
More than anyone anticipates.
https://simplychrissa.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/if-you-are-warm-and-happy/
I think me getting a four hour erection is much more likely. If I ever do get one its speed dial time. Hopefully I get through the C's
You are one of my favorite posters but I think you are starting to lose it
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
A: sell the 5 coins that beaned and send the other 5 coins back to CAC under the "re-sticker" tier just to see what happens
not enough answers in the Poll which pre-supposes that everyone uses CAC and that everyone places importance on their service.
If they were good enough to buy in the first place, they are good enough to keep even if they don't bean.
this may be the POTD on this topic. in other words, you would allow CAC to inform you that your coins are unworthy of your ownership?? that's ludicrous, yet all but one choice in the Poll supports that notion.
I didn't answer the poll because the choices did not match what I would do - not even sure what that is.
I sent my coins to cac to learn, was contemplating selling some had not decided that. Went for another opinion, and JA is a better grader than I so thought I would learn something. Yes it worries me that his opinion has so much weight, but thats a larger issue.
What did I learn? Silver I refined my grading skills. Copper I learned the look that cac likes, which is not necessarily mainstream on circulated copper. Gold I am befuddled on. Gold coins that I thought would not sticker didnt. Gold coins I thought most would sticker didnt.
LOSE it???
Grrrr splytt sphttt!
No sticker for YOU!
Your surfaces smell of elderberries!
LOSE it......hmmmph!
How does this dramatic assertion reconcile with Bill Jones admission that he bought a bad coin in 2011. You know, cuz he was just starting out in the field six years ago...
Bottom line is we all still have something to learn...and many of those thinking they don't have the most to go.
I was a long time collector and still learned from John, when he saw my coins in 2007. I was able to refine my collection to make it better. My non CAC Grant, Cincinnati and Lincoln from my collection were sold and replaced with nicer CAC coins. Yes, those coins were in my collection and I was happy with them, but I am much happier with their replacements.
There is no arguement to be won. You have an opinion and so does mommam17.
By the rate collectors and dealers are sending coins into to CAC it's fair to say they have a huge following. It's not a fad but a reality. It's also fair to say detractors have a voice and their concerns are duly noted.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Yes, as a CAC supporter, I've been told I follow JA blindly and now I'm told, I believe JA knows everything. I've also been told, that I think JA is perfect and does not make mistakes. It is wrong, but 10 years later it continues........
I don't want to lose my message in strident repetition.
This will be my last post in...this...thread. I will continue to express my concerns with CAC in others as they arrive.
I started this poll because I am actually ....contemplating.... selling everything that is not "in conformity" to the latest market requirement.
And, unfortuntately I ...did.... subject 4 coins to the exam.
The submission was through a nationally respected dealer who is a submitter to CAC.
I brought in a group of coins that ....I.... (a mere dealer from 1979-2003) considered to be "candidates."
We (the dealer who submits piles of stuff to CAC and I) went through the material selecting which we ...thought... would have the best shot. This, mind you, an assessment of two EXPERIENCED coin DEALERS who keep up with the trends.
Results? 1 out of 4
Weird thing is that the one that ...did.... "measure up" was the one we ...debated.... submitting. (one of those "oh well, why not" things.
It has a dent in it. No matter, I have an early gold coin with a fairly significant rim nick that is stickered from the early days.
MY misfortune (if you can call it that) is that my main interest is in ..EARLY.. coins. The ones LEAST likely to get the beloved kiss.
OUR misfortune is that if I decide to dump the non stickered coins, I will also quit the hobby that has provided me 40 years of pleasure. AND....the average 5-10k a month or so that I add to the demand side of the market.
"So what?" Okay....so what.
I do not and will not accept this arbitrary judgment of coins so long as the stupid A,B,C idiocy is the criteria.
That's like saying, "Yes, you have a very good and loving wife. But her two sisters are better."
So off my soapbox in THIS poll/thread.
The coin market will judge if this new gimcrack will be good or bad for all of numismatics.
Ciao, folks. Don't take no wooden nickels.
Unless they're stickered.
what are the five coins? what do they look like? how much do I have in them? what sets are they part of? how did i acquire them? do i have a buyer for them? do i agree with the results? why didn't they cac?
there's no way to answer this poll for me.
i have sent in coins that did sticker and ones that haven't. i have sold ones that sticker and ones that don't also.
sometimes i think the cac haters just don't get it.
Given how much product (e.g. coins) was being manufactured (e.g. slabbed and put into the market) by a duopolistic system, without an arbiter in place the system began to break down. CAC became an arbiter to bring checks and balances (in lieu of government regulation) to a system that was starting to run amok, and thus has unquestionably added value to those that didn't benefit from a duopolistic system and reduced value to those that did. To date no one else has decided to invest their own time and money to create a second arbiter since the people who have gained value as a result of CAC do not see a need for a second arbiter, while the people who have lost value as a result of CAC wish for the arbiter of a duopolistic system to go away so that they can continue to reap financial benefits from a system that was running amok. That about sums up all the CAC rhetoric. I do believe that CAC is necessary to keep the market dynamics in check...that's not to say that multiple arbiters shouldn't exist, but simply to say that CAC should.
Their opinion not a factor for me in getting rid of a coin - mine is.
To answer op I would keep all as the submission to CAC is to get more money on the ones that sticker - nothing changes on the others especially if I consider them nice coins for retail.
If I were a mass CAC submitter possibly the material that not sticker wb at bid plus 10 to 25 pct but the CAC material at bid plus 40 or 50 pct or possibly higher.
At shows I do not display prices but have a sticker on back of slab w cost and sell code. Another code may give sell price basis.
Ask CAC why the other 3 failed.
i don't get why no sticker makes the coin a bad coin and > @Justacommeman said:
don't run in the house with one trying to get to the phone. you might run into something.
I picture it as me knocking over all the lamps
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I've sent a bunch of coins to CAC. Most stickered, but some did not. I've kept them all.
A coin can be bad for the TPG grade and still a good coin. I think sometimes people forget that.
Bruce, we all make mistakes, I have admitted as much in other threads and will fess up to it now. my point was clear, why should we place the worthiness of coins in our collections based on an approval sticker from a grading service?? it is similar to sending a coin I believe to be an MS65 in for grading to PCGS. if it grades MS64 I would sell it??
not at all. I learn from it.