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ironmanl63
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I am not very experienced with 3cn. I would appreciate any opinions on grade and overall thoughts on the coin.
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A decent coin, possibly dipped in the past as it looks a little hazy. MS62?
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MS64 with a shot at 65 or 66 if it was cracked and haze removed.
Or needs some acetone to remove the haze.
Well struck AU58, unless the slight discoloration is just haze - then it could be 63.
No brainer 64/65 coin. Full luster and nothing in the way of marks from those photos. That's a good coin. I wouldn't dip or play with it until seeing how it grades as is.
The haze shows up more in the photos than in hand. As far as strike would you be talking about the obverse more than the reverse?
MS64. Strong strike on reverse.
I'm seeing some rub on the hair above the ear. AU 58 would
be my guess.
I'm guessing it's in a rattler right now? I've seen a lot of coins with that hazy look in rattlers. I would say they called it a MS-64.
It looks like Rattler tabs to me also.
It is in a rattler holder.
Original surfaces MS-64 or 65.
If that coin is AU, I quit for good.
No expert here but my first thought was 65, JMO
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I thought it was a rattler, that brown haze seems to be in a lot of ones that I come across. What is it? Is it dip residue? or is it a fungus of some kind?
The haze detracts from the eye appeal IMHO, and I would guess it's housed in an MS63 holder because of the haze. If it had haze-free surfaces, it would grade higher (to me, anyway).
I could see where someone could get that idea from the obverse alone. But with the reverse factored in...no way.
Does anyone think this would be a coin that PCGS would conserve?
Looking at the truviews for this date on coinfacts I see some high graded coins that are not that far from this coin.
Clean it up and send it back, 65 or 66.
Nice coin as it currently looks
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I n view of the fact that it is in a rattler and there is a big spread between 64 and 65, you might be better served to have CAC look at it first before attempting a resubmission. There might be those that would place a greater value with the coin in the rattler holder if CA affirms gold status for possible upgrade.
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Looks 64+/65
Gem without the haze. Select Unc with it.
65
I would say MS65.... very nice coin. Not a series I have much experience with, however, just looking at the coin from a technical viewpoint, it certainly is nice.... Cheers, RickO
Not much going on with surface. Shockingly devoid of contact marks or hairlines which the haze might mask. Leave it as is. I'd be ok with that in 65 holder. A 66 for me would need more pop.
Coin is MS64 in a rattler holder as stated earlier. To me it looks much better than that. The haziness hardly shows in hand but you can see it with a loop. I would like to know if anyone has had PCGS try to conserve a coin like this? Any replies are greatly appreciated!
Looks better than a 64 to me. The coin's surfaces are 65+ clean, but how's the luster? That's going to be the difference between a 65 and 66/67 grade.
I wouldn't try to conserve it, personally. I'd have it evaluated in-hand by an expert first, then if they think it's got a good chance, submit it for upgrade.
I think the luster was what held it from going higher than 64 originally.
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The luster is good but I would not call it blazing! Do these often come with strong luster?
That would be my guess as well. Then again, sometimes you see some haze on these 3CNs that doesn't really hold back the luster of the coin. I, like you, suspect this is not one of those cases...and thus the suggestion to have an expert assess the coin in hand.
Whenever I'm evaluating coins like this for purchase/upgrade, a little voice in my head is always asking "Why hasn't this coin already been submitted for upgrade? What am I missing?"
And at least judging from the photos, I think you've hit the nail on the head as to what may hold this one back.
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@grip said: "I'm seeing some rub on the hair above the ear. AU 58 would be my guess."
I'll bet I'm probably tighter than anyone on CU about "rub" on coins and the AU/BU line. I drive my peers crazy!
We only have the image, and many of these coins have a little rub so you are possibly correct. The haze may be helping to hide it. However, IF there is any loss of original surface on this piece it is so insignificant that I would need my stereo microscope to see it.
These days, coins with actual naked eye wear from a foot away are commonly slabbed as low Mint State. This piece is something I would even buy as Mint State - and I don't buy much.
I'd bet that 3CN that you and Grip both started collecting coins a while ago.
FWIW, I agree.
Not the easiest photos to interpret from. I see it as 65 preservation, 63/4 luster, 65 strike, 64 eye appeal. I dislike the spots in the hair more than the haze. Overall grade 64.
The answer: No one has the guts usually. Crack that sucker!
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The other answer: I don't know as much about grading as I think I do, and that coin graded 64 for a reason, and cracking it out of that rattler and it grading the same means I lose money.
Then again, how is one to learn?
For example, if I didn't have the guts to buy the coin that's my avatar raw on Ebay, I would never have owned a MS 65 example. But I did, and I do.
Life's just a series of calculated risks....coins are no different.
Thanks for all of the replies. I have absolutely no experience dipping or conserving coins and I do not plan on trying to do so. If anyone has experience with either of the top TPG's conserving coins do you think that this would be a candidate. Also do you think conservation would help with the haze and light spots?