**Results of four crossovers - NGC, ANACS and IGC to PCGS (TrueViews added)

oih82w8 · June 21, 2017 7:00AM

I received the results from my last Crossover submission of four coins (27 business days) yesterday.

1838 10C was no big surprise receiving an AU55 vs. NGC AU58.

1849/8 H10C did not meet my minimum requested grade of MS64, so I will submit it for variety attribution through NGC.

1853/4 25C - I was pleased with it as a straight crossover, especially as an unattributed variety!

1892 25C - I was content with another straight cross-over, although our host did not agree with the DDR that I saw...still a good looking album toned quarter.

No TrueView images yet, but I will post them when available.

Thank you for your interest.

YQQ · June 21, 2017 7:13AM

I have a question:
lets assume the OP situation, and I am sure there are many others.
Might submitting a graded coin from one TPG to another TPG for X-grade trigger a bias by the TPG selected to carry out the X-grades?
IMO, sometimes it is just that little voice in a graders mind telling him wow..one way or another.? then he becomes biased even trying to figure out why it is the current grade.
would it be better to submit raw only?

Insider2 · June 21, 2017 7:26AM

Question: Were the coins taken out of the original slabs and sent in raw? That's the best way to get an impartial opinion?

Also, when a grading service crosses a competitors coin some believe it would imply that the other service is their equal. For that reason, I think there may possibly be a little bias at times.

robec · June 21, 2017 8:08AM

@Insider2 said:
Question: Were the coins taken out of the original slabs and sent in raw? That's the best way to get an impartial opinion?

Also, when a grading service crosses a competitors coin some believe it would imply that the other service is their equal. For that reason, I think there may possibly be a little bias at times.

If the coins are sent in raw it wouldn't be a crossover.

messydesk · June 21, 2017 8:13AM

Was the half dime in a non-prong holder? If so, the thickness of the white insert and poor optical quality of the shell can make it really hard to assess tiny coins.

Insider2 · June 21, 2017 8:15AM

I disagree in part. As you point out "Crossover" service is just that. Send in slab & cross it - maybe.

I look at it in a different way. In spite of the OP's example, I'd NEVER send a slabbed ANACS, ICG, SEGS, etc. coin to either top two service! EVER. So with that in mind, if I have an unpopular slabbed coin that was graded MS-65, was cracked out, graded "raw" at PC, and returned as MS-65 - my coin just crossed.

oih82w8 · June 21, 2017 8:25AM

@messydesk said:
Was the half dime in a non-prong holder? If so, the thickness of the white insert and poor optical quality of the shell can make it really hard to assess tiny coins.

No, current four finger insert

oih82w8 · June 21, 2017 8:27AM

A crossover is sent in it's holder, not cracked out.

I have sent in one crack-out before because I truly believed it would upgrade...it did...AU53 to AU55 both times PCGS...both times Green Beaned.

abcde12345 · June 21, 2017 8:28AM

"Crack N' Cross" works everytime. Congratulations on your exceedingly fine results.

mercurydimeguy · June 21, 2017 8:33AM

@Insider2 said:
Question: Were the coins taken out of the original slabs and sent in raw? That's the best way to get an impartial opinion?

Also, when a grading service crosses a competitors coin some believe it would imply that the other service is their equal. For that reason, I think there may possibly be a little bias at times.

For what it's worth, cracking out coins these days is more of a gamble than it used to be because there is such a wide disparity of a material in any given grade. I would say today (in what I collect), there is probably a 1 in 3 chance that cracked MS64 might come back either Body Bagged or significantly lower (e.g. not just one grade lower). This goes for cracking even the vendor's own slab (e.g. crack brand XXX in MS64, it comes back questionable color from brand XXX submission).

I would advise against cracking high value coins where each grade is big step up/down in price. Send it to your favorite slab brand for crossover with a Min grade (say it's in a 64 holder and you send it with Min 63), if it crosses at 63, then send it in again for regrading and 50/50 it comes back 64. And if it doesn't then you know it's probably a 63.

You de-risk the process but it's takes MUCH longer these days (grading delays will add months not weeks), and costs you more money...on the downside, worse that can happen is you get your coin back in its original holder instead of significantly devalued body bag.

robec · June 21, 2017 8:41AM

A few years ago Crossovers weren't eligible for either Secure or TrueViews. If you wanted a crossover to be photographed it would have to be sent in again, charged $10 and another $12 for reholdering.

Has the policy been changed to where you can now get TrueViews with crossovers?

oih82w8 · June 21, 2017 8:43AM

Bob,
Trueviews and Secure are eligible for crossovers...as these were...and did...the DNC was still issued a PCGS Certification Number...it is just inactive...and no TrueView for it.

robec · June 21, 2017 9:18AM

@oih82w8 said:
Bob,
Trueviews and Secure are eligible for crossovers...as these were...and did...the DNC was still issued a PCGS Certification Number...it is just inactive...and no TrueView for it.

Good to know. One of the reasons I quit crossovers in favor of cracking was because of PCGS's policy (at the time) TrueView and Secure ineligibility with crossover service.

logger7 · June 21, 2017 9:56AM

I really don't think there is any bias with PCGS on crossovers, I am pretty sure NGC does scrutinize more significantly any crossovers, plus the fact that they do not accept crossovers in non-PCGS slabs, another reason not to send them coins unless they are raw. I can see how PCGS would be reluctant on some of the less strict company holders, edges, hidden issues would be areas of concern. Good results. Anacs is pretty strict, on some issues stricter than the top two. ICG can be strict or loose, it all depends, strict on copper and classic type, loose on light cleaning or very lustrous coins they like. PCGS is more the art of coin grading.

roadrunner · June 21, 2017 3:14PM

My own experiences are that nice ANACS and ICG coins will probably cross easier than NGC. There's no holder bias and serious competition from those other guys. I've had all my ANACS coins cross....never have crossed a single gem NGC type coin yet, regardless of how nice it was (stickered, later upgraded, etc.). Note that your other NGC coin crossed down....which in my book is not success. If crossing down was a sign of success, we'd all be partying like 2008 again.

That 1849 half dime is a serious looker and should have easily qualified to cross imo. Just crack it out or send in at cross on any grade. Fine looking coin. "Maybe" a touch of negligible friction or luster break in the right obv field. And it could just be the toning. Otherwise, looks gem 65. A decade ago that coin was typical of the quality of NGC MS65's (or better).

david3142 · June 21, 2017 3:54PM

@abcde12345 said:
"Crack N' Cross" works everytime. Congratulations on your exceedingly fine results.

You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

messydesk · June 21, 2017 4:14PM

The half dime is quite nice. Maybe give it another shot when the next "no cross, no fee" crossover special shows up, like they had earlier in the year.

divecchia · June 21, 2017 4:21PM

Congrats on crossovers.

Donato

jtlee321 · June 21, 2017 4:51PM

@david3142 said:

@abcde12345 said:
"Crack N' Cross" works everytime. Congratulations on your exceedingly fine results.

You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

"Inconceivable!"

abcde12345 · June 21, 2017 8:22PM

@david3142 said:

@abcde12345 said:
"Crack N' Cross" works everytime. Congratulations on your exceedingly fine results.

You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

It's why it's in quotes:
Send the coin into PCGS. get the grade you want/deserve. Crack open a cold one and celebrate!

ricko · June 22, 2017 5:19AM

Nice results....Will you crack the '49/8 and resubmit? Cheers, RickO

oih82w8 · June 22, 2017 5:55AM

@ricko said:
Nice results....Will you crack the '49/8 and resubmit? Cheers, RickO

No, I don't do the "crack" game. I am going to send it to ATS and have it attributed. It should bring more as a NCG MS64 than a PCGS MS63 or 62 as a 1849/8...and then send it to CAC...then flip it.

oih82w8 · June 23, 2017 9:01AM

Here are the TrueViews;

1838 10C No Drapery, Large Stars F-106

1853/4 25C Arrows and Rays

1892 25C

JeffMTampa · June 23, 2017 9:41AM

A nice looking submission with a lot of color- congrats!

FallGuy · June 23, 2017 11:49AM

Beautiful coins as usual from @oih82w8. Thank you for sharing.

I had that line in "The Princess Bride" used on me recently, but I walked right into it. Good one!

robec · June 23, 2017 12:45PM

Beautiful!!

The 1853/4 looks familiar.

**Results of four crossovers - NGC, ANACS and IGC to PCGS (TrueViews added)

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