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Another great buffalo pick up from "Way Down South"

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

Another great buffalo from “Way Down south"
Described by the seller as "1916 Buffalo Nickel, Great Strike, Near Gem BU Better Date ** Free Shipping!”
I especially like that free shipping!
(Presently in the mail and making its way up from Texas to Ohio)


Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see that in a 58 holder.

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman said:
    I could see that in a 58 holder.

    yep, thats what i thought too after looking at the hip and flank. just a touch of friction.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another nice addition to the herd.... You have been on a roll lately.. Cheers, RickO

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think this is an example of a coin that became a “58” simply by rolling around in a plastic flip over the years. If it had been dumped into circulation for a short time there would have been nicks and ticks on both sides which is not the case here. Just that bit of rub on the hip and flank. A super slider for sure.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gonna say - it even my series and would be a buyer at 58+ price all day. Beautiful!

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would grade this coin PR-58. Should be coming to my mailbox tomorrow or next day.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just picked up the coin today. A no question matte proof!

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • WashingtonianaWashingtoniana Posts: 278 ✭✭✭

    it's always fun to read about your finds

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those rims look way to thin in places to be a proof.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    Those rims look way to thin in places to be a proof.

    I think they use a circle template with black background and their logo so rims are not always completely shown

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    Those rims look way to thin in places to be a proof.

    I will prepare it for shimpment to pcgs today. will post the results and a pic of the slab when available.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 16, 2017 11:30AM

    @clarkbar04 said:
    Those rims look way to thin in places to be a proof.

    I agree 100%. Many 1916 Buffs are so well stuck they can appear to be a proof coins but no cigar. I have never seen a 16 Matte proof without wide square SHARP rims. I have a 16 that looks just like that one but it's a business strike.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is this one a proof?


    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice hammered business strike Joe!

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you'll let me I'll try to explain to all of you what GSC does to make their coins look hammered. They use one light at 12;00 when imaging. What this does is it casts a shadow giving the impression the coin has a much better strike than it really has, depth.
    I'm right in the middle of imaging some coins for a very close friend so I hope he doesn't mind if I use one of coins for this example.
    The first images are of this beautiful 1915 buffalo nickel surrounded by four lights. I generally only use 2 but for this example I'm using 4.

    Now, here's the same coin with one light at 12;00 like GSC does with all of their coins giving them more depth.


    It's not at all hard to see what a difference it makes in the way the coin is presented. This is very deceiving to say the least.
    I rest my case.
    Happy hunting, Joe

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    If you'll let me I'll try to explain to all of you what GSC does to make their coins look hammered. They use one light at 12;00 when imaging. What this does is it casts a shadow giving the impression the coin has a much better strike than it really has, depth.
    I'm right in the middle of imaging some coins for a very close friend so I hope he doesn't mind if I use one of coins for this example.
    The first images are of this beautiful 1915 buffalo nickel surrounded by four lights. I generally only use 2 but for this example I'm using 4.

    Now, here's the same coin with one light at 12;00 like GSC does with all of their coins giving them more depth.


    It's not at all hard to see what a difference it makes in the way the coin is presented. This is very deceiving to say the least.
    I rest my case.
    Happy hunting, Joe

    never woulda thought they would stop to such a low in lighting techniques.
    very interesting to say the least.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Another great buffalo from “Way Down south"
    Described by the seller as "1916 Buffalo Nickel, Great Strike, Near Gem BU Better Date ** Free Shipping!”
    I especially like that free shipping!
    (Presently in the mail and making its way up from Texas to Ohio)


    All I know is that you are one cherry picking fool BUFFNIXX!
    Good luck.

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    If you'll let me I'll try to explain to all of you what GSC does to make their coins look hammered. They use one light at 12;00 when imaging. What this does is it casts a shadow giving the impression the coin has a much better strike than it really has, depth.
    I'm right in the middle of imaging some coins for a very close friend so I hope he doesn't mind if I use one of coins for this example.
    The first images are of this beautiful 1915 buffalo nickel surrounded by four lights. I generally only use 2 but for this example I'm using 4.

    Now, here's the same coin with one light at 12;00 like GSC does with all of their coins giving them more depth.


    It's not at all hard to see what a difference it makes in the way the coin is presented. This is very deceiving to say the least.
    I rest my case.
    Happy hunting, Joe

    Thanks for the photo insight Joe. We often buy coins based on their pics, and you have educated most of us in interpreting coin pictures.

    OINK

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    to crazyhounddog -- joe
    this sure did enlighten me!! I bid on the following coin in a GSC auction and I won it for $910. Looked like a darn nice buff , but when I got the coin it looked nothing like the photo, just a mousey washed out grey color. And may have been cleaned to boot; Thought it might have been worthy of an MS67 grade if spot could be removed!! But it obviously was the same
    coin as the black spec on the front of the coin showed. That ding turned out to be a small hole in the planchet, and one that would have give the coin a details grade by pcgs or ngc, something like “Unc details, rim damage” or
    “Unc details, environmental damage”. I was puzzled how the coin looked so different in hand from the pictures.
    Now I know. They used the same photo techniques that you described above. Thanks again, what a great learning experience for us all. Buy the way I was able to return this 1915 buff pictured below and I mentioned the fact that the
    coin actually had damage at the rim on the obverse. I got my money back but they immediately relisted it with the same
    description “gem brilliant unc full strike” and it sold the second time for a few bucks under three hundred.


    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IS GSC unethical? I do not think so as this photo technique you described does not actually alter the surface of the coin in any way. IT IS Just affected by the light. And I guess that is perfectly legal.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    IS GSC unethical? I do not think so as this photo technique you described does not actually alter the surface of the coin in any way. IT IS Just affected by the light. And I guess that is perfectly legal.

    They also seem to take returns and do not block you...

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They sold you a damaged coin without disclosing it so I think you answered that already.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.

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