Just to point out, this thin film interference color progression chart applies to silver coins. It does not apply to bronze coins, which is different. Although the later cycles are similar, as the underlying color of the metal matters less as the film grows.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
Just curious, what do you base that on? Do I detect some jealousy? I think Rick knows how to neutralize a coin. Props to you though, at least you tagged him so he can comment on this "drive-by "pot-shot." I hope he does not bother to respond - not worth the time.
Just curious, what do you base that on? Do I detect some jealousy? I think Rick knows how to neutralize a coin. Props to you though, at least you tagged him so he can comment on this drive-by pot-shot. I hope he does not bother to respond - not worth the time.
Do you even read the comments in your own thread? I don't think so. Go back and read his comment and then even you might get the Joke.
Everyone of us that plays with coins has a "blow-up" or ten. I have ruined a coin before. Apparently, so has he. It is not funny when it happens; but looking back after the fact, it can be. Additionally, it provides some funny stories at bull sessions with my peers.
Perhaps you @Wabbit2313 and your little friend @CoinsAndMoreCoins should try reading and comprehending this "joke": If I ruin a coin and feel compelled to confess that fact, that's my choice. If another member sees a ruined coin and chooses to connect my name to it, it's not very funny. See the difference?
Perhaps you @Wabbit2313 and your little friend @CoinsAndMoreCoins should try reading and comprehending this "joke": If I ruin a coin and feel compelled to confess that fact, that's my choice. If another member sees a ruined coin and chooses to connect my name to it, it's not very funny. See the difference?
The other day @ColonelJessup burped and sounded smarter than you. I am confidant he does not need you to speak on his behalf. If he does not see the humor in his post and then someone posting a gray 89-CC in the exact grade he mentioned, he will blast me himself.
Also, if you ever do actually try his mentioned methods, post the results here. You will have to read his post first though.
He is much smarter than me. BTW, when he passed gas I thought of your posts and the insignificant minions that agree with you.
"I am confidant he does not need you to speak on his behalf. If he does not see the humor in his post and then someone posting a gray 89-CC in the exact grade he mentioned, he will blast me himself."
Please see the reference to "gas" above.
"Also, if you ever do actually try his mentioned methods, post the results here. You will have to read his post first though."
Already did. Already posted an image of the result. Sorry you missed that along with everything else.
PS It seems to be still getting a little darker - golden browns and blue. Not ugly. Probably would fool a lot of collectors.
PSS Give it up rabbit. You have 4 stars and 5000 + posts. Perhaps you can educate me and the minions about something actually dealing with numismatics.
LOL, begins with a "p" and ends with a "c" And I forgot my manners - welcome to CU, let me know if I can help you become a numismatist. You won't be the first.
@Insider2
Do I know you from somewhere? Did we have "that thing"? and I forgot?
Like Santa in the M&M's commercial, I feel like exclaiming "I DO exist!", but assuming a false familiarity earns you little of my decrepitating street cred.
Now off that pedestal, I see you hiding under that bridge. Having seen how you so gratuitously insult, I'd value your contempt more than I would most peoples' praise
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Yes we know each other. I believe the last time we spoke was in Colorado Springs. I cannot believe that you disagree with me that you know more than I do. Come to think of it, there are a few things relating to coins I could possibly teach you.
We never had a thing yet you are as handsome as ever, charming as a fox, free with your knowledge, and one of the pluses (along with several of your well-known peers) here on CU.
Only three people here know who I am. I'll PM you soon and swear you to secrecy as I do not wish to tarnish my reputation. I've needed to dole out some tough love and reality checks on a few uninformed snowflakes posting nonsense unrelated to numismatics. Two of these mentally challenged "know-little's" have taken up the busywork of disagreeing with anything I post...LOL. Giving me the distinction of having the most disagreements in the history of CU in less than two years time. Ta-dah, thank them very much.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Been doing it this way all my life and old habits die hard. I should like to at least appear to be a little educated. I may limit myself to just one PS in the future lest I forget.
Now, I'll need to look up the grammar to find out what the "PP" is..."Prior Postscript" perhaps. "Post" postscript?
The only way I know of "toning" anything is to let it sit there on a shelf, or in an album. And some coins just don't seem to tone. Others get mottled, target, rainbow, periphery ... etc., you know ? I won't pretend to know how because I don't mess with them. I've got too many other trades to mess around in, besides coins. I prefer natural. There is a local dealer who claims to be THE DIPPING KING. In my opinion , he's an a-hole, but my opinion doesn't count in the business.
FWIW, I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening.
Naturally, collectors remain free to pay a premium for coins that have an especially original and/or attractive appearance.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@MrEureka said: "I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening. "
I agree 100%. Some genius came up with the words "Market Acceptable" and it applies to anything we may find on our coins. That would eliminate much of the disagreements between professionals too.
@MrEureka said:
FWIW, I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening.
Naturally, collectors remain free to pay a premium for coins that have an especially original and/or attractive appearance.
If natural-looking "artificial" toning belongs in slabs, then I'd prefer if the ANA and others would teach how to create natural-looking artificial toning so people know what they are buying.
@MrEureka said:
FWIW, I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening.
Naturally, collectors remain free to pay a premium for coins that have an especially original and/or attractive appearance.
If natural-looking "artificial" toning belongs in slabs, then I'd prefer if the ANA and others would teach how to create natural-looking artificial toning so people know what they are buying.
I want to learn what artificial toning looks like by doing it and not relying on the opinions of others about AT/NT.
It's all available on the Web. Twenty years before that, Bill Paul of Philly area AHM (sadly passed) said 95% of what he needed was for sale at big hardware and supermarket venues, He handed out free favors to a lot of us dinosaurs. He, like Billy Masters, took simple delight in making coins prettier. AHM still takes tables at the majors and more.
Copper, nickel, no silver, yes gold. I remember a few years ago showing him something I did to unc-ish $5 Indians as an offer of a favor. He looked and said "I can do better than that. Let me take a few of the better ones into the bathroom". Ten minutes and mirabile dictu !
Also active in Europe, Had a range of US and European silver and copper retail and wholesale when he could find it, I remember him bringing over dozens of cherry blasty/toned 03-3 $5's and $10's a while after slabbing started, and long before that scoring forty 1929 $20's that he repatriated.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
A dealer I spoke with a while back recommended the Wayte Raymond style of holders with real heat for months on end; a long process. I hollowed on one of those once and got decent results:
Graded AU55 at NGC.
Comments
I was checking out the upcoming auction at HA and came across this.
Someone must have forgot to do a final rinse
That 89-CC could be @ColonelJessup 's work
Wow! That's a beauty!
I feel ya... and love toned Lincolns.
Just to point out, this thin film interference color progression chart applies to silver coins. It does not apply to bronze coins, which is different. Although the later cycles are similar, as the underlying color of the metal matters less as the film grows.
@Wabbit2313 said: "That 89-CC could be @ColonelJessup 's work."
Just curious, what do you base that on? Do I detect some jealousy? I think Rick knows how to neutralize a coin. Props to you though, at least you tagged him so he can comment on this "drive-by "pot-shot." I hope he does not bother to respond - not worth the time.
Onions, not the red ones.
Do you even read the comments in your own thread? I don't think so. Go back and read his comment and then even you might get the Joke.
Everyone of us that plays with coins has a "blow-up" or ten. I have ruined a coin before. Apparently, so has he. It is not funny when it happens; but looking back after the fact, it can be. Additionally, it provides some funny stories at bull sessions with my peers.
Perhaps you @Wabbit2313 and your little friend @CoinsAndMoreCoins should try reading and comprehending this "joke": If I ruin a coin and feel compelled to confess that fact, that's my choice. If another member sees a ruined coin and chooses to connect my name to it, it's not very funny. See the difference?
The other day @ColonelJessup burped and sounded smarter than you. I am confidant he does not need you to speak on his behalf. If he does not see the humor in his post and then someone posting a gray 89-CC in the exact grade he mentioned, he will blast me himself.
Also, if you ever do actually try his mentioned methods, post the results here. You will have to read his post first though.
@Wabbit2313 said: "The other day @ColonelJessup burped and sounded smarter than you."
He is much smarter than me. BTW, when he passed gas I thought of your posts and the insignificant minions that agree with you.
"I am confidant he does not need you to speak on his behalf. If he does not see the humor in his post and then someone posting a gray 89-CC in the exact grade he mentioned, he will blast me himself."
Please see the reference to "gas" above.
"Also, if you ever do actually try his mentioned methods, post the results here. You will have to read his post first though."
Already did. Already posted an image of the result. Sorry you missed that along with everything else.
PS It seems to be still getting a little darker - golden browns and blue. Not ugly. Probably would fool a lot of collectors.
PSS Give it up rabbit. You have 4 stars and 5000 + posts. Perhaps you can educate me and the minions about something actually dealing with numismatics.
@FellintoOblivion
LOL, begins with a "p" and ends with a "c" And I forgot my manners - welcome to CU, let me know if I can help you become a numismatist. You won't be the first.
@Insider2
Do I know you from somewhere? Did we have "that thing"? and I forgot?
Like Santa in the M&M's commercial, I feel like exclaiming "I DO exist!", but assuming a false familiarity earns you little of my decrepitating street cred.
Now off that pedestal, I see you hiding under that bridge. Having seen how you so gratuitously insult, I'd value your contempt more than I would most peoples' praise
Yes we know each other. I believe the last time we spoke was in Colorado Springs. I cannot believe that you disagree with me that you know more than I do. Come to think of it, there are a few things relating to coins I could possibly teach you.
We never had a thing yet you are as handsome as ever, charming as a fox, free with your knowledge, and one of the pluses (along with several of your well-known peers) here on CU.
Only three people here know who I am. I'll PM you soon and swear you to secrecy as I do not wish to tarnish my reputation. I've needed to dole out some tough love and reality checks on a few uninformed snowflakes posting nonsense unrelated to numismatics. Two of these mentally challenged "know-little's" have taken up the busywork of disagreeing with anything I post...LOL. Giving me the distinction of having the most disagreements in the history of CU in less than two years time. Ta-dah, thank them very much.
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PS stands for "post script"
For your second PS, use PPS
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Been doing it this way all my life and old habits die hard. I should like to at least appear to be a little educated. I may limit myself to just one PS in the future lest I forget.
Now, I'll need to look up the grammar to find out what the "PP" is..."Prior Postscript" perhaps. "Post" postscript?
@Baley
PS I always need to see for myself.
PPS You were correct of course.
PPPS Thanks again.
PPPPS Hope I can return the favor one day!
I'd try some experiments but nearly every chemical of interest is banned In Europe. I can only buy acetone in 2oz bottles. FML.
Latin American Collection
I had you figured as a Michigan State Alum living in the USA.
Thank you guys for restoring my faith in good humor.
@TwoSides2aCoin said: "Thank you guys for restoring my faith in good humor."
Humor is good.
PS Ways to tone a coin is better.
PPS Just practicing some newfound usage.
PPPS I wonder if there is an @ThreeSides2aCoin someplace.
The only way I know of "toning" anything is to let it sit there on a shelf, or in an album. And some coins just don't seem to tone. Others get mottled, target, rainbow, periphery ... etc., you know ? I won't pretend to know how because I don't mess with them. I've got too many other trades to mess around in, besides coins. I prefer natural. There is a local dealer who claims to be THE DIPPING KING. In my opinion , he's an a-hole, but my opinion doesn't count in the business.
Manchester UK now. Flying back from
Michigan right now actually
Latin American Collection
FWIW, I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening.
Naturally, collectors remain free to pay a premium for coins that have an especially original and/or attractive appearance.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@MrEureka said: "I think that coins with natural-looking "artificial" toning belong in slabs. Only the ones that actually look unnatural should be denied a straight grade. And whether the TPGs agree with me or not, that's what's happening. "
I agree 100%. Some genius came up with the words "Market Acceptable" and it applies to anything we may find on our coins. That would eliminate much of the disagreements between professionals too.
Thoughts on this one?
I paid over $100 for the coin raw.
If natural-looking "artificial" toning belongs in slabs, then I'd prefer if the ANA and others would teach how to create natural-looking artificial toning so people know what they are buying.
I want to learn what artificial toning looks like by doing it and not relying on the opinions of others about AT/NT.
Looks nice
It's all available on the Web. Twenty years before that, Bill Paul of Philly area AHM (sadly passed) said 95% of what he needed was for sale at big hardware and supermarket venues, He handed out free favors to a lot of us dinosaurs. He, like Billy Masters, took simple delight in making coins prettier. AHM still takes tables at the majors and more.
Copper, nickel, no silver, yes gold. I remember a few years ago showing him something I did to unc-ish $5 Indians as an offer of a favor. He looked and said "I can do better than that. Let me take a few of the better ones into the bathroom". Ten minutes and mirabile dictu !
Also active in Europe, Had a range of US and European silver and copper retail and wholesale when he could find it, I remember him bringing over dozens of cherry blasty/toned 03-3 $5's and $10's a while after slabbing started, and long before that scoring forty 1929 $20's that he repatriated.
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A dealer I spoke with a while back recommended the Wayte Raymond style of holders with real heat for months on end; a long process. I hollowed on one of those once and got decent results:
Graded AU55 at NGC.