2.5 years in a brown lunch bag.
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Started as a boring white 63, cracked it out, placed in the bag obverse up, this is the result. No juicing, just a dash of contrast.
Post your experimental toners if you have one.
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Forgive me, was it a Taco Bell bag?
Actually my mother gave me some years ago, not sure of the brand or the chemicals that are in the bag. Just a little fun with a common Morgan.
Did you leave the sandwich in the bag with it??
JK.... Certainly not my type of Morgan, but if you are happy with it, that is what counts. Cheers, RickO
No sandwich in the bag, made me laugh. Happy? Not a horrible toning pattern, seen much worse and seen much better.
Not bad
Next time, make sure the surfaces are totally clean. A proper ultrasonic dip and neutralization followed by a soak in acetone should give you a more even surface. The coin is BEAUTIFUL as is; yet right or wrong, I'll bet four out of ten knowledgeable collectors will call it artificial toning due to the pattern of color. All joking aside. Next time, a brown bag w/some greasy Taco Bell residue on the paper may produce even more color...LOL. Thanks for the post! I wish you would have sent it in to be graded. That way, no matter the result, you could tell us how you did it.
So is this considered AT or NT? Are you going to get it graded?
Can You imagine what a Tuna Sandwich would look like after 2.5 years in a brown lunch bag
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Nice conclusion!
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.@thebigeng, it naturally toned in a bag for 30 months. I'm not looking to profit from it, just an experiment that's all.
Experiments make the world go around. Once I did an experiment to learn what artificial toning looked like. When I forgot to monitor the experiment on a daily basis, the surface of the coin turned into a chunk of sulfur compounds ...LOL!
So how is toning a coin in a bag different than toning a coin with heat? If I lived in the Mojave Desert and the coin was outside in the summer under direct sunlight and we got similar results is that any different?
No that does not work. I put a roll of common UNC Morgans on the roof of my patio cover for a year. Heat had the chance and weather and all and nothing but dirty coins when done. At least here in the Mohave it did not work. Maybe in the Sonoran (south of here in AZ) where it gets more moisture?
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Don't get me wrong, I think the dollar in the bag toned naturally but there must be a quicker way to "doctor" a coin.
I've been in the desert so long that I was wondering if there was any way to NT a coin. You guys/gals that live in humid areas have a much better chance of your coins toning as the years go by. Me not so much. I've never had a coin tone no matter where I put it, no matter the conditions I kept it in. We just do not have the ingredient that is required = moisture. Boring to pull a coin out of your safe that's been in a PCI holder for 20 years and have it look the same as the day PCI put it there. Ugh, sometimes I do wish for humidity!
bob
Well here is one of mine, but I stink at pics. This has been wrapped in newsprint type paper that came out of an approx. 1870's book and inserted into a 2x2 for 6 months.
Humidity is a bad thing usually. As far as this dollar goes. I would call it NT. To be AT some kind of chemical has to be used. Putting a coin in a natural environment results in NT to me. I'll probably get flamed for that.
Great job with that morgan
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Well, you ruined that one in the name of science. Thanks for posting!
this was a cleaned, dipped out coin when I bought it on ebay years ago. I folded a brown paper napkin (unknown fast food prevenance) around it and left it in a carboard box in a wooden desk. It started to tone within a few months and this is how it looked after about a year. I've never seen silver tone so fast. Obviously not natural looking and it has continued to darken since.
I remember when Boom put some Washington quarters in brown paper envelopes and PCGS said it was artificial toning.
He seemed to be rather peveed for a while.
Yeah those old style envelopes from before all those PCV flips came around.
I actually kind of like it.
Ummm........you can get your wish. PLEASE PLEASE come cut my grass when it's 92 degrees and 90% humidity.
I'll pay you in silver.
Taco Bell Napkin face down
Interesting, I must say that a Morgan Silver Dollar is of a different composition than a Modern Silver Eagle. This may account for the different toning patterns..
I like it! You should have thrown in some Taco Bell napkins for good measure.
I disagree. A blow torch or oven is capable of producing colors too.
I've read about baking a coin in a potato.... I tried 4 seconds with a blow torch and it will make a Zinc Lincoln rainbow toned brown.... 7-10 seconds and its a small blob of Zinc that literally melts in slow motion from the pressure of the tongs holding it.
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If it's AT it's not for me.
2 years in a Taco Bell napkin on an outside window ledge exposed to all elements of Central Ohio.
Interesting experiments... Years ago I did extensive experimentation... I had one small room set up with multiple experiments going at one time. Some were not very good, some were amazingly successful. I should repeat the one that gives textile toning on Morgans...maybe I will... but then I would need pictures.... dang, my weak spot.
Cheers, RickO
Yes, that would be AT as well.
I'm off to Taco Bell! IMHO, putting a coin on a napkin for a year is genuine toning that has been helped by man. The "coin doctors" probably want a faster method.
I'll bet when you are around the right circles long enough you'll hear all kinds of "tricks." In fact I'm going to start a thread here shortly.
Anyway, I've written and said before: "I don't care if the color came from twenty years in a bank vault or ten minutes in a hotel bathroom. If it looks natural, is market acceptable to the TPGS and 95% of collectors, I'm OK with it!" Anyone, including the expert coin doctors, who claims they can tell natural toning from artificial 100% of the time is only correct in his own mind. There are thousands of AT coins judged market acceptable and just as many NT coins judged to be "doctored." The faster we each learn the USUAL patterns of each the better our assessment will be and we'll STILL BE WRONG some of the time.
@CoinsAndMoreCoins The Morgan and Peace dollars are: (Metal Composition) 90% silver, 10% copper
The Silver American Eagle are: 99.9% silver and they weigh more as well..Morgans are 26.7 grams and ASE are 31.1 Grams.
Anyway @Sunnywood created a thread on toning that is very informative if you can find it...
Horrible looking coins. What's up with the toning craze ? Keep them naturally blast white if possible. That's what most collectors want.
Most of the blast white coins are not natural and most of us prefer some nice toning.
This one has just been sitting out on my 1930s wood desk for about a year now. Started blast white...
Looks natural. Which side was against the wood?
I think becasue of the way Morgans were stored you see more of these toned. Peace Dollars are also not as old as Morgans in storage and that could be a factor.. More research is required..
Living in south Louisiana, I can double this.
Living in central FL, I already HAVE a lawn guy that does most of my yard, for $10/week.
I take care of the back with my pool and numerous fruit trees.
Anyway, onto the toning. I would tend to agree that most of the doctors want quicker results, as do the dealers who utilize them. No 'years' in bag, napkin, drawer, Wayte Raymond album, etc. And I would tend to agree that rapid heating, chemical treatments, etc. are AT, whereas these other methods are more NT, though generally secondary toning, and while Ok, nothing beats classic old time toning from long term storage on a truly original coin.
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He has since received a manicure.
No doubt the OP has an original, "bag toned" 1878-s Morgan.
Bisquite and Butterbeans toning.
It would have been interesting to see the end result for the 1878-S if it had been placed in the brown paper bag on edge, so that both sides had equal surface exposure to air transfer.
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I did not use the term 'market acceptable'...since that is just evading the facts. AT is now accepted, in most cases. The most blatant are usually rejected as such - however - I believe even those coins are quietly procured at premium prices and ownership is not admitted. The purists still rage, many others just grumble... but look at the fact that the coins slab, it often bumps the grade and the premiums are increasing. This desire, for what is essentially environmental damage, is driving a large portion of the coin market. Cheers, RickO
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Nice tone! Your 2015 Eagle, do you have the original papers and box. This coin was a hot topic recently! If you have the original packaging, that Silver Eagle could be one of a few (79,000 Minted) from the Philadelphia Mint? Worth checking out, I think?
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Interesting experiments.
I wonder how a market acceptable blast white Morgan, whose original skin was stripped, if placed in a canvas bag with a bit of sulfur spread around on the bag, stored up in someones hot attic above garage would look after 2-3 years?
If the results could produce something similar to the monster Morgans that fetch $15,000-$20,000...that would be maybe a small concern.
Yet, if results could be mirrored, would the person who found the magic formula between time, environment, and ingredients step forward and share documented results as op and others have, or, would they profit from their discovery and create monster rainbow Morgans?
IDK- I guess I'd be a little concerned....just me.