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NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 585 ✭✭✭✭✭

So I bought the coin shown below and the head has some CAM features. PCGS has not graded any Washington Quarters in CAM or DCAM during this timeframe. There a few in every other series during this timeframe, just no Washington Quarters. I do not have the coin in hand yet, but based on the photo is looks like the Obv. has frost. I have looked at thousands of Washington Quarter proofs from 36-42 and can't recall seeing any with a hint of frost on the OBV. or REV.

If you have a photo of a CAM featured Washington Quarter in this timeframe, please post below so I can see where mine ranks with other coins. I would be thrilled if PCGS ever graded a CAM in this series.


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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have also looked at thousands of quarters from this time period and I have to say that yours is the nicest I have ever seen. Nice catch!

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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭

    Not a single one? Must be early strikes somewhere

  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭

    This one has a little bit of contrast.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reverse is always the killer on these:

    1942 NGC PF67 25c CAC

    1942 PCGS PF66 25c

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a 1938 - this particular example isn't mine

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the record, there are no certified cameo examples by NGC, ICG, or ANACS either so PCGS isn't alone.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2017 3:16PM

    In researching the book United States Proof Coins 1936-1942, I noticed approximately the expected quantities of frosted design quarters, but every piece that was frosted on one side, was brilliant, or nearly so, on the other.

    The posted coins remind me of the very best I saw.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2017 3:27PM

    @RogerB said:
    In researching the book United States Proof Coins 1936-1942, I noticed approximately the expected quantities of frosted design quarters, but every piece that was frosted on one side, was brilliant, or nearly so, on the other.

    The posted coins remind me of the very best I saw.

    Have you ever seen one with a full cameo reverse? Usually, the obverse is the side with the significant cameo contrast and the reverse is completely brilliant. The few I have seen with reverse frost never had it in the eagle's wings. I'm guessing that it is in part because of the nature of the design in addition to die pairing limitations.

    Edited to add: Interestingly, the 1938 and 1942 are the only dates I have seen that have any frost at all.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2017 3:37PM

    "Have you ever seen one with a full cameo reverse?"

    I remember seeing one, but the obverse was ordinary and I don't think a photo was saved. The wings nearly always are polished. (Of course, pairing of new dies should have created a few "cameo" coins, but if the wing relief was so shallow that it permitted them to polish along with the field (or "table"), then not even the first coin off a new die pair would have been a "cameo.")

    The coin cameonut2011 posted reminds me of how most looked....nice breast frost and shiny wings.

  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    For the record, there are no certified cameo examples by NGC, ICG, or ANACS either so PCGS isn't alone.

    If the coin in the OP was given a bath, we might have the first ever Cameo. It has a shot.

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NorCalJack said:
    So I bought the coin shown below and the head has some CAM features. PCGS has not graded any Washington Quarters in CAM or DCAM during this timeframe. There a few in every other series during this timeframe, just no Washington Quarters. I do not have the coin in hand yet, but based on the photo is looks like the Obv. has frost. I have looked at thousands of Washington Quarter proofs from 36-42 and can't recall seeing any with a hint of frost on the OBV. or REV.

    If you have a photo of a CAM featured Washington Quarter in this timeframe, please post below so I can see where mine ranks with other coins. I would be thrilled if PCGS ever graded a CAM in this series.


    I would have PCGS dip it, or whatever they do to clean it up. That may well be a cameo.

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know @grip , I like it quite a lot just as it is.
    I see what you're saying though.

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  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mingot said:
    This one has a little bit of contrast.

    That does look like it has some frost on it. And because you say it has some I will take your word for it. However I have seen photos like this and i wonder if the light is hitting just right to enhance the contrast. I'm not saying you did this, but if I was buying a coin of the internet I would be leery of it.

  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    For the record, there are no certified cameo examples by NGC, ICG, or ANACS either so PCGS isn't alone.

    If the coin in the OP was given a bath, we might have the first ever Cameo. It has a shot.

    Well I still have to see it in hand first. I got a notice by the Post Office it is here. I will pick it up tomorrow. The appeal of the coin to me is the cameo head and the patina halo around the perimeter of the coin makes the head stand out more. I assume a dip would take the patina way, which would be a shame.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would personally leave it alone and enjoy it as is.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin in the OP has any shot at CAM, it will need to be dipped to remove the tarnish... Cheers, RickO

  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NorCalJack said:
    Well I still have to see it in hand first. I got a notice by the Post Office it is here. I will pick it up tomorrow. The appeal of the coin to me is the cameo head and the patina halo around the perimeter of the coin makes the head stand out more. I assume a dip would take the patina way, which would be a shame.

    MS70 may well remove the haze and leave the toning; that being said, as much as I do love cameos I'd have a hard time touching that one as I really like the look of it as is.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    in looking at the coin on eBay again, it sure looks like it has a shot at Cam. It would need an MS70 treatment, followed by a dip. Certainly a gamble, but the only known Cam would be enough for me to try.

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