has anyone ever seen one of the "square quarters" from the 80's?

I just bought a new book on Washingtonia, and they list a "square quarter" that was sold in 1984. I can't find a photo on the internet orI would post one. It is a stylized quarter that has been rendered square, made of silver.
Has anyone seen one? have a line on a dealer that can find me one?
Justin
Has anyone seen one? have a line on a dealer that can find me one?
Justin
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Ray
There is a line drawing in the book I purchased, and it is very, very cool.
Sold in 1984.
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<< <i>Have you ever seen one in person? >>
I owned one back in the mid-80's to mid-90's period. I wish I still had it.
<< <i>So you think the prices are optimistically low? >>
I think the prices in the catalog are way, way too high.
Is there a newer version? In my book they list it at $25.
what did you sell yours for, if you don't mind me asking?
Maybe it's time for the US to make a square coin............
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It would tear a person's pockets and it would be diificult
to place in rolls.
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<< <i>I have a 1999 edition of "Medallic Portraits of Washington"
Is there a newer version? In my book they list it at $25.
what did you sell yours for, if you don't mind me asking? >>
About $25, which was about half of the original issue price. I still have the original sales literature piece around somewhere...now there is a really rare item!
Any line on one of these?
http://www.sqrdl.com/
<< <i>Hmm, should Daniel Carr make a square version of his CARRter dollar for Square Globe News? >>
Hmm... Maybe so.
I just received a copy of Unusual World Coins 4th edition, and have the numbers on the Squared Quarter:
X # 301 CuNiZn Mint. 330
X # 301a 1/4 Oz. Au Mint. 1,310
X # 301b 1/2 Oz. Au Mint. 602
X # 301c Bz Mint. 15
X # 301d Ag Mint. 12
X # 301e Br Mint. --
He is asking $200 for the smaller one - seems a bit steep.
But he is an artist, so it goes with the territory.
Ever hear of Yves Klein? He had a buyer purchase 20 grams of gold powder from him which he then blew off his hand into the Seine and had the buyer then destroy his receipt. Et, voila! Art.
I've had some recent correspondence with the creator of these interesting Tokens and he was kind enough to share some pictures, actually scans. the one below is in Gold. since the US Mint is currently doing computer design and using lasers on the manufacturing of dies it would seem that he was a little ahead of his time.
10-year old thread. But still interesting.
I found this 1/2 oz silver version for sale on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Squared-Quarter-X-301b-Half-Ounce-999-Silver-PCGS-PR65-Interesting-Piece-/232166243194?hash=item360e2fbb7a:g:7NIAAOSwMVdYIPEL
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The date doesn't make any sense - 1849, 1936 or 2025 are square numbers. The square root of 1984 is 44.54211...
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IGWT logo. Whatever to the square.
Well.. the mint has made the Baseball coin.... Other mints have done strange shapes... Perhaps a square coin is in our future.... Would not surprise me at all... Cheers, RickO
I can't speak for the creator of this Token, but my feeling is that it had nothing to do with trying to "re-shape" what our coinage looked like. it was most probably all about using a computer program in the design with a coin being chosen as the model. remember, this was in the early 1980's when computers were in their infancy and almost unheard of outside of the Government and Industry.
I'm only now getting to know the man who made these, but his background is technology and Graphic Design, he said he did the programming on a computer where he was working, and that was around 35 years ago. we have come a long way since then.
That is pretty much correct... the booklet that came with these quarters explains how they came about. Basically computers were used to "square the circle" and stretched the quarter design into a square shape. The results of the computer shown in the booklet came out a little funky so parts of it were sort of smoothed out to make it a more presentable piece. I've bought/sold a few of these over the last few years. Fun pieces and PCGS does a great job at imaging them, even though their TrueView template isn't really set up for a square coin.
That PCGS PR65 shown above in another post in the TrueView is mine... gets lots of looks at shows!!
Also had a PCGS PR66:
And a PCGS PR63:
I too have had correspondence with the creator of these pieces... tried to get him to sell me one of the gold examples but he would never give a price... and I had a feeling that the price would have been too high for me anyways as he seems to be holding them pretty tight... having held them for 30+ years now!
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It would seem determination of the shape and position of text and devices was computed, but then the result had to be adapted to the finished design. I'm curious as to the computing power that was used to generate the squared coin. 10 lines of unoptimized, single-threaded C++ code full of trig and square roots on my 2012-vintage PC (2.6 GHz i7-3720) makes a 200x200 pixel squared quarter out of a round one in 11 milliseconds. High-enough resolution to understand the general shape everything needed to be, and small enough for the entire image to fit inside 40 KB of RAM that you would have on a 1982 IBM PC with 128 KB of memory and a 4.7 MHz 8088 with no native floating point capability.
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In the booklet that comes with the coin, it says:
First, a coordinate system was drawn over an enlarged photograph of a quarter, so that the x/y values of the coin's surface points could be mapped with the sensor pen of a digitizer and then stored in a computer memory. Next, a program was written to define the formula of the circle-to-square projection. This program instructed the plotter to produce the drawing of the Squared Quarter.
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I was wondering what the image acquisition pipeline looked like. A long way from pointing a phone at the coin.
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Here is my example...
Great info on the metals and mintages! I wonder why Br is listed with -- for the mintage. Has anyone seen the other metals?
Here's some more info from ATS:
Perhaps putting out a very high offer could get him to consider?
I have one of the 1/4 oz. squared quarters... need to send it in for grading some day
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Here's some more information on the artist, Andor Orand who has squared the quarter, mark and yen.
Website: http://andor-orand.com/
Square Deal: http://www.sqrdl.com/
The following site has photos of 9 coins including a bronze quarter quarter and silver deutsche mark:
http://www.sammlung-haupt.de/artists/20562/andor-orand/works/225760/squared-quarter/
Of note, Andor's website says the gold version is for sale:
Lead die trials and the dies themselves have been donated to the Smithsonian along with other pieces. Has anyone ever seen the dies or die trials at the Smithsonian?
The below is also from Andor's sqrdl.com website.
It looks like the "Squared Quarter" was graphically warped, then sculpted/engraved by hand from that warped drawing.
Anyway, I tried a couple processing experiments, one on a photo of a "1975" quarter and another on a digital sculpture of a "1999-S" quarter. The 1999 had a slightly "stronger" warping effect. Neither of my results produced a kinked IGWT motto like the 1984 pieces.