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Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Post your D Hall flips.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would like to obtain one of these flips, but the possessors are mighty proud of them...at least the ones that I have seen for sale.

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman "A FEW"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol That is truly impressive my man! I have been on the hunt for a peace dollar. not very common in the larger denominations!

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That walker looks nice Lakesammman.

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I would like to obtain one of these flips, but the possessors are mighty proud of them...at least the ones that I have seen for sale.

    It seems these have gained in popularity over the last few years. A few years back there was one ebay seller who sold 5-10 Buffalo Nickels in the 30-50 range and I sold a Franklin for about 40 (it took a while and the buyer talked me down from 50). It seems a few are still listed at that price point, but most are selling for 60-75 (and even more for better coins).

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    CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its weird how almost all the Hall flips I have seen are graded MS65.

    I have sold about a half dozen of them. They always carried a substantial premium.

    Does anyone know if the blue flips are older than the beige flips or is it vice versa?

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want one at some point.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The brown/beige flips are older and harder to find, I believe.

    Unfortunately the Peace dollar is a Mike Defalco flip - I just didn't know where else to store it. :D

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2017 8:58AM


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    nk1nknk1nk Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭

    Not mine, stole images from Instagram. I would love to get one of these with a Morgan or peace dollar.

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:
    Not mine, stole images from Instagram. I would love to get one of these with a Morgan or peace dollar.

    That's welovecoinsutah's its for sale if you want to buy that one. Justin is a good friend of mine.

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2017 9:12AM

    @CommemKing said:
    Its weird how almost all the Hall flips I have seen are graded MS65.

    I believe that the numerical grade scale didn't go beyond 65 when these were being marketed. MS-66 to MS69 didn't come in to existence until PCGS was founded.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it might be undergraded :)

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    nk1nknk1nk Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2017 10:04AM

    Oh I thought he said it was spoken for. Im sure it's not cheap, maybe I'll look into it. I'm assuming Justin is in Utah and you and Jeff A (Drunner) know each other. Are you a fellow Utahn? Maybe we will run into each other at a local show.

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:

    @Peace_dollar88 said:

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    That's welovecoinsutah's its for sale if you want to buy that one. Justin is a good friend of mine.

    Oh I thought he said it was spoken for. Im sure it's not cheap, maybe I'll look into it. I'm assuming Justin is in Utah and you and Jeff A (Drunner) know each other. Are you a fellow Utahn? Maybe we will run into each other at a local show.

    I met Jeff at the last Layton show. He is a really stand up collector! What part of Utah are you from?

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    nk1nknk1nk Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2017 6:50AM

    .

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    nk1nknk1nk Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2017 6:50AM

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    love the 1938 d buffalo nickel

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,196 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coindeuce said:

    @CommemKing said:
    Its weird how almost all the Hall flips I have seen are graded MS65.

    I believe that the numerical grade scale didn't go beyond 65 when these were being marketed. MS-66 to MS69 didn't come in to existence until PCGS was founded.

    @coindeuce said:

    @CommemKing said:
    Its weird how almost all the Hall flips I have seen are graded MS65.

    I believe that the numerical grade scale didn't go beyond 65 when these were being marketed. MS-66 to MS69 didn't come in to existence until PCGS was founded.

    @coindeuce said:

    @CommemKing said:
    Its weird how almost all the Hall flips I have seen are graded MS65.

    I believe that the numerical grade scale didn't go beyond 65 when these were being marketed. MS-66 to MS69 didn't come in to existence until PCGS was founded.

    Wrong. The ANA grading guide published in 1977 had only 60, 65 and 70. When I started ANACS grading on March 1, 1979 I added 63 and 67.
    TD

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Despite echoing the quote, I thank you CaptHenway for the beatdown. :o BTW, what DOES a hen-weigh ?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,196 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coindeuce said:
    Despite echoing the quote, I thank you CaptHenway for the beatdown. :o BTW, what DOES a hen-weigh ?

    About three pounds.

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But. . .but. . . a UK pound is only 9.5 grams. That would be one very slender hen !

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

    And on the next episode of Hoarders Lakesammman falls on his David Hall flip pile.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Peace_dollar88 said:
    @Lakesammman "A FEW"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol That is truly impressive my man! I have been on the hunt for a peace dollar. not very common in the larger denominations!

    He knows where he can get one, he just doesn't want to pay for it! :)

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL! That's an unbelievable coin @Wabbit2313! It looks like I am going to have to pay up for it... because there are only like 3 in existence.

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just picked one of these up on eBay around 2 months ago. I think they are pretty cool.. Mine had originally been printed up for a 1916-S Double Eagle, but I'm guessing the printing was miss-aligned so instead of throwing it away, they printed new information on a white sticker and applied it over the label.




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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are a couple of mine



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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to see these at coin shows in the PNW in the early 2000's.... Never purchased one because there were not any of the coins I was looking for at the time... Now wish I had, they were quite reasonable then. Cheers, RickO

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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One observations I would make is that every single coin in a DH flip is not toned. All blast white.

    Any toners out there in one of these flips?

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a couple with a touch of color, but not much.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that the coins in David Hall Flips were all placed in KoinTains,,,,,,, this explains the lack of toning.

    GrandAm :)
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    nk1nknk1nk Posts: 486 ✭✭✭✭

    Wabbit,

    that's nice!!

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    CyndieChildressCyndieChildress Posts: 429 ✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    Very nice.!.!

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! Awesome coin @Wabbit2313

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 how much do you anticipatell that d hall peace selling for on ebay? I got first bI'd :)

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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks . . up above. I have a couple simple Buffs in D Hall flips . .but nothing spectacular. Fun to be a part of the Utah scene and contribute where I can . . . . our two collectors above are fun contributors to our hobby !!! . . . .

    Drunner

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,196 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:
    I believe that the coins in David Hall Flips were all placed in KoinTains,,,,,,, this explains the lack of toning.

    I believe that is true. Koin-Tains are wonderful for long-term storage.
    TD

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish PCGS would slab these slabs.... kind of like they do with GSA, Paramount Redfields, and others... wouldn't that be cool! @homerunhall

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    JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 11:12AM

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    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rabbit - that is cool! :+1:

    JeffersonFrog - where did the notion of a customer number come from??

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a short video of a pretty one that I recently sold on the BST:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR_flV1nU2A

    :+1:

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shoot - never saw that one - nice coin and video.....

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2017 7:15AM

    Did a non-scientific survey of my "hoard", as some would call it.

    67 David Hall Flips total.

    All the Brown Label flips are missing the David Hall name on the sealed part of the flip (present on all the blue ones).
    Only one smaller than normal flip that I assume predated the larger flips (picture below) - anyone know??
    Only 2 with any meaningful toning, both proof Jeff's (See below).

    2 pennies - 1 1937 BU red, 1 steel, both with black foam inserts
    6 Buff's - ALL 1938-D Gem Unc 65
    4 Jeff's - ALL proof "MS65", 2 toned (see below), all with black foam inserts
    11 Merc's - ALL Fully Struck Crossbands, Gem Unc 65, 1 with Brown Label
    3 Roosies, ALL proof "MS65", black foam inserts
    3 WA quarters, 2 Gem Unc, 1 Gem Proof "MS 65" with black foam insert
    8 WLH's, 7 Gem Unc (2 w/brown labels, one Blue label MS64), 1 Gem Proof w/black foam insert, brown label
    16 Frankies, all Gem Proof
    4 Kennedy's, all Gem Proof
    7 Morgans, 4 Gem Unc Blue label, 1 Brown label Gem BU, 2 Brown label Gem BU PL
    2 Commems, Texas, Boone



    Gone but not forgotten: IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal, CoinsAreFun.
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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys are just making this tougher to resist adding one of these to my collection. :s

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Shoot - never saw that one - nice coin and video.....

    Bummer! But you do already have 6 of the same date ;)

    One thing I really liked about that one is that the coin is toned nicely. Seen many of these and except for a couple Morgans, haven't seen any others with any appreciable amount of color. Untoned coins seemed to be more in fashion at the time. And your hoard of these mostly w/o toning seems to confirm that a bit.

    :+1:

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    JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 11:12AM

    ...

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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    unclebobunclebob Posts: 433 ✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    JeffersonFrog - where did the notion of a customer number come from??

    I just assumed it at the time. I recall looking at the non-cert, non-coin number on the insert, and thinking it was either an invoice or customer number. Upon reflection, it seems more probable it may just of been a sequential identifier. If that is the case, perhaps it suggests a population of 80,000+ DHNIG flips (and my 4th and 5th pics need to be swapped). Maybe your small 84B-YB flip was a "in the beginning...." example.

    $50,000,000 in sales divided by 80,000 is an average price tag of $625. Could well be ball park accurate.

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