The first coin to break the $100k barrier (Hawaii 5-O 1913 nickel), the first coin to break the $1,000 barrier and the coin that SHOULD* have been the first to break the $1M barrier (Dexter 1804$1 at $990k), the first coin to actually break that barrier (Eliasberg 1913 nickel at $1.485M) and of course the only coin to break the $10M barrier (Carter Specimen 1794$1). Kinda cool, all and all.
*(I can guarantee you that if I was doing the bidding, the Dexter coin would have been the first over that $1M mark. Think of all the notoriety that it lost out on over $10k....)
When it was obvious on the floor that the Dexter could be in play at a million, there were quite a few in the audience calling to both buyer Hugh Sconyers and his underbidder, in a range of tones from "The Babe is at the plate" to one much like those rooting for the lions in the Colosseum, "Stretch, stretch".
You are OTM about that milestone publicity value. When Kevin Lipton paid over a million for the Flannagan-Kagin specimen, subsequently to be rejoined with the other 1834 proofs in the Queen of Taiwan set, there was no quibbling about the increment but little buzz about the seven-figure price tag . The barrier had already been broken.
Congrats on the Original
note 1: I was the agent/underbidder on the 1804 in the Flannagan Sale. Nobody remembers the name of Sconyers' underbidder on the Dexter coin either.
note 2: Unknown, unimagined to most before KL revealed its existence as a (virtually) complete set, the Queen of Taiwan 1804 proof set is still missing a $10.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Look, I think we all are a bit crazy and have some kind of a coin ego inside of us. Why else would we spend a big part of our wealth and earnings on coins ???
Im happy we have Bruce and I like him exactly the way he is.
@caddyshack said:
hey big shot-and do you know actually called out the $1 million dollar bid on the 1913 5C at Eliasberg?
Trick question? Parrino's paddle number bought it, but Mike Phillips was holding it.
$1,000,000 was the wrong increment for the underbidder, whom I didn't notice, as per my previous comments.
Back atcha'. Who was the underbidder on the Childs 1804 and who was holding the paddle for the winner.
Wanna hear about my 1804 $1 (formerly known as the Garrett coin).
it's a fine line to walk between shades of envy and jealousy. Both want what you have. Some don't care so much that they don't they have it, only that, because they don't, you aren't entitled either. It's a real shame. Literally.
TDN ain't DJT, and I'm not talking politics, just personalities.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Jerry Bauman was the underbidder on the Dexter coin and he was bidding for Pogue via Akers. I tried very hard to get him to go one more bump when I was calling the sale, and I wished we had not announced only $10,000 increments at the start of the sale or we could have hit the million dollar mark. It was frustrating.
Fwiw - the Dexter 1804 was on my mind when I formulated the nuclear bid amount on the 1794$1. First instinct was $8.5M....which calculated out to $9,987,500.
I hastily added another $25k to that hammer and sent the bid on to Laura as part of our pre auction strategy discussions.
Rumor has it pink hat / green shirt guy in Wrigley was the under bidder for the Cubs franchise a few years ago. He enjoys a nice season seat, No champagne, no WS ring. The Ricketts from Nebraska did the big deal. Point is go big or sit behind home plate.
Look for him this season @ Cubs Wrigley home games, he's there.
@bkzoopapa said:
Jerry Bauman was the underbidder on the Dexter coin and he was bidding for Pogue via Akers. I tried very hard to get him to go one more bump when I was calling the sale, and I wished we had not announced only $10,000 increments at the start of the sale or we could have hit the million dollar mark. It was frustrating.
Btw - a huge thank you to bkzoopapa for sending me this poster. Note the issue number
I will point out that I have never seen TDN make any disparaging and negative comments regarding what others collect or their budget. He's a passionate collector who shares and talks about his collection, same as us. His collection just happens to be worth many multiples more than most of ours.
Col. Jessup: Who was the underbidder on the Childs 1804 and who was holding the paddle for the winner.
David Akers was holding the paddle for the winner. Jay Parrino was the underbidder. I am certain. Brent and his father were present. They and Akers played some kind of bidding game, perhaps to confuse other bidders. Michael Fey and Scott Travers, separately, were both very serious bidders.
ColJessup: Regarding bidding in 1996 for the Eliasberg 1913 Liberty Nickel, $1,000,000 was the wrong increment for the underbidder, whom I didn't notice, as per my previous comments.
Although my memory is a little foggy and I would need to find my notes, I believe Caddyshack is correct. Someone, probably David Hall, yelled "one million dollars" when the Eliasberg 1913 Liberty Nickel was being offered, before bidding reached that level. No one said that David Hall was the underbidder. I am sure the name of the underbidder is in my notes, if he was physically present.
Also, IMO, the members of this forum should focus on coins and issues of interest to the coin community. It is not a good idea to post public remarks about the personalities or personal lives of coin buyers.
"In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
The Charles Stoll history of the 1804 dollar is excellent. The story of Stephen Decatur, Bainbridge and the Philadelphia are chronicled in the excellent book Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates: The Forgotten War That Changed American History which I recently finished. If the 19,570 regular strikes were sent to Africa, I wonder if any are left or if they were all melted.
I was there in the audience when TDN's colleagues (Laura and George) bid on and won the 1794 SP Dollar at the Cardinal sale. It really was interesting how they had prepared and how George was positioned so he could keep an eye on some of the other bidders.
People whine about egos -- would you prefer TDN talk about some common $100 coin? Or a modern issue? Not me.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
@breakdown said:
would you prefer TDN talk about some common $100 coin?
I enjoy his posts, expensive or inexpensive. The expensive coin posts bring in a discussion that isn't often had here while inexpensive coin posts show that TDN is still a coin nut like us all. Some inexpensive coin posts of his that stand out include recommending keeping a counterfeit trade dollar because it was rare and his recommendation to me on an R8 piece I was considering a while back.
The FIRST COIN you ever added to a collection. Regardless of funds or age.
Still got it?
For me it was a 1910 penny. I found it around 1960-61. I was six years old. At the time it seemed ancient. I put it in a flip with a note that read, "I'm so happy." And yes I still have it with the note. I don't know if it was a milestone, but I cherish it to this day. It's a great hobby.
But did you ever get your picture on a bubble gum card? Lucy van Pelt says that Beethoven is a nobody because he never got his picture on a bubble gum card!!!
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In 1989, a dealer in the Midwest bought and sold a territorial gold coin privately for more than $1 million. I believe that Yaffe was co-owner and seller of this piece to the dealer in the Midwest, who I am not naming. He was a defendant in multiple legal cases. This coin may have been a Proof 1852/1 $20 Humbert. I am writing from memory at the moment.
Was it widely reported that the Olsen-'Hawaii 5O'-Buss-Hawn 1913 Liberty Nickel sold privately for $100,000 in the 1970s? Maybe one of the members here would be willing to enlighten us?
Does anyone know the first U.S. coin to sell at auction for more than $100,000? There were six figure items in Garrett sales of 1979 to 1981, though most of these were pre-1793 pieces or pioneer gold rather than federal coins. Earlier in the 1970s, a Silver Center Copper cent pattern may have been auctioned for more than $100,000 in an event conducted by an auction firm unknown to me. This, though, is not a U.S. coin.
PrivateRareCoinCollector: Look, I think we all are a bit crazy and have some kind of a coin ego inside of us. Why else would we spend a big part of our wealth and earnings on coins ??? ... Im happy we have Bruce and I like him exactly the way he is.
I am, too. The criticism of TDN in this thread is unfair. For people who do not like this thread, there are other forums and other discussions in this forum. Any member can start his own thread.
Bruce is definitely a very positive force within the coin community.
The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting.
(Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale)
@breakdown said:
would you prefer TDN talk about some common $100 coin?
I enjoy his posts, expensive or inexpensive. The expensive coin posts bring in a discussion that isn't often had here while inexpensive coin posts show that TDN is still a coin nut like us all. Some inexpensive coin posts of his that stand out include recommending keeping a counterfeit trade dollar because it was rare and his recommendation to me on an R8 piece I was considering a while back.
Yes. I can recall TDN giving us a thread on a rattler 1929-s MS65 RED (?) Lincoln he had cherry picked. While only a 3 figure coin, he described the action as if it were 6 figures. And it was just as interesting to read about his thoughts why the coin was a lot nicer than the grade suggested.
That is a cool silver bar, especially if you had the nickel to go with it.
Maybe you could commission the making of a few bars for the other big milestones if you get the dates and coins ironed out.
Analyst, the question was for a particular and specific troll. Beware of the crossfire.
As per giving voice to negatives. Sweet, but incredibly naïve. You once confronted me about describing (not in print, but in person), another dealer as a pathological liar,
Well..... two points.
Firstly, everyone (else) knows that about him already.
Secondly, as a licensed professional, I was not offering an opinion. It was a clinical observation of behavior patterns leading to a diagnosis. But this is gratuitous, because,,,,,
Thirdly, everyone knows that about him already.
Rare coins, like politics, ain't beanbag.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
TDN: The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting. ... Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale
I am not claiming to know the details. In regard to this 1913 Liberty nickel, what exactly happened on "October 2, 1972"? Who produced the bar?
After the Olsen-Hawn 1913 was auctioned in January 2010 in Orlando, I stayed up very late writing my review. I e-mailed it to the editor of CoinLink very early the next morning, probably before 6:00 AM. He had it posted not long afterwards. We really thought we had a scoop, a first-person report and an analysis, literally within hours of the sale. While many of my articles fare well in Google search results, this was never one of them. Blurbs on Yahoo and elsewhere beat it. I also covered the sale of the same coin in 1993. I know it well.
ColonelJessup: Analyst, the question was for a particular and specific troll. Beware of the crossfire.
My guess is that, if the target knew the answer, the target would have answered the Colonel's questions. That participant is not bashful. Moreover, there are many people interested in 1804 dollars, especially in the finest known piece. I felt that it was appropriate to publicly answer a public question about the auction of the finest known 1804 dollar in August 1999.
ColonelJessup: You once confronted me about describing (not in print, but in person), another dealer as a pathological liar,
I do not remember the incident. It is true, however, that the Colonel has made negative and personal statements about people at lot viewing sessions, in front of many others. I do not believe that all such statements were true. Even if a particular negative and personal statement is true, it is inappropriate to voice such a statement at an auction lot viewing session or in this forum, IMO. Please read Don Willis's rules.
"In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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@CaptHenway said:
But did you ever get your picture on a bubble gum card? Lucy van Pelt says that Beethoven is a nobody because he never got his picture on a bubble gum card!!!
Analyst, the Midwest dealer's name on the Territorial was Mike Blodgett. You're right about it being the Proof Humbert. I'm informed by many of his creditors he stiffed people for millions. Glad you respected his privacy. Just like I would about the long-time dealer doing 8 years for child pornography. Or more than a couple of thieves.
If John Albanese didn't suspect I knew something about coin doctoring, I wouldn't have been on the PNG Coin Doctoring Definition committee. I also share this information at Summer Seminar and with dealers and collectors.
Based on your Victorian sense of decorum, this purported contumely and calumny, even if true, is unacceptable. But if Queen Victoria knew about a crooked jeweler she might mention it to the Duchess of Marlborough. Likely more sotto voce than would I.
Want to know who's been caught stealing, I'll know. Want to know whose good check is wobbly right now? 4-18 hours depending on your time zone. I may check the questioner out before I answer the inquiry. Some prudence and discretion are involved, but the thieves and con-men, let alone the (shamefully protected) pedophiles (note plural) and child pornographers are fair game. Numerous PM's have gone out to Forum members I deem sensible about various forms of "you are vulnerable, watch out" "sleaze-bags I have known"
It's called the grapevine. We're all on it.
The Stacks Bowers staff and I (all knowing each other for over ten years) had our laughing fit over this dealer's diagnosis long after any collector had left. We all know you're a brilliant and meticulous researcher, and are able to marshal many facts that support your arguments. But I lose confidence when you aver that some joker wouldn't pay up for The 1833 $5 Proof as its merchantability was impaired because a grade of 67 was not a sure thing. The coin faces up as a 68DCAM. The coin is beyond imagining. But I'm just throwing shade to undermine your argument. Beyond your few inaccuracies and misapprehensions, you are 95% on the money, and perform valuable service to our community.
Notwithstanding this well-earned professional respect, you would have turned red if you'd heard what we said about you after you'd left. Consider, however, that, according to gossip related to me later by one of those selfsame SBG staffers, a so-called friend, after I left I wasn't halfway out the door before many sad, very sad things were said about me. Likely mostly partially true. Likely worse than you think. Did you know my 1804 $1 (formerly known as the Garrett coin) was doctored with THC? It's gone up in grade a couple of times since then, Pre-sniffer.
I hope you're taking this as semi-seriously as I do.
One of my guilty pleasures is sniffing sulfur.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@Analyst said: TDN: The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting. ... Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale
I am not claiming to know the details. In regard to this 1913 Liberty nickel, what exactly happened on "October 2, 1972"? Who produced the bar?
After the Olsen-Hawn 1913 was auctioned in January 2010 in Orlando, I stayed up very late writing my review. I e-mailed it to the editor of CoinLink very early the next morning, probably before 6:00 AM. He had it posted not long afterwards. We really thought we had a scoop, a first-person report and an analysis, literally within hours of the sale. While many of my articles fare well in Google search results, this was never one of them. Blurbs on Yahoo and elsewhere beat it. I also covered the sale of the same coin in 1993. I know it well.
ColonelJessup: Analyst, the question was for a particular and specific troll. Beware of the crossfire.
My guess is that, if the target knew the answer, the target would have answered the Colonel's questions. That participant is not bashful. Moreover, there are many people interested in 1804 dollars, especially in the finest known piece. I felt that it was appropriate to publicly answer a public question about the auction of the finest known 1804 dollar in August 1999.
ColonelJessup: You once confronted me about describing (not in print, but in person), another dealer as a pathological liar,
I do not remember the incident. It is true, however, that the Colonel has made negative and personal statements about people at lot viewing sessions, in front of many others. I do not believe that all such statements were true. Even if a particular negative and personal statement is true, it is inappropriate to voice such a statement at an auction lot viewing session or in this forum, IMO. Please read Don Willis's rules.
@Analyst said: TDN: The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting. ... Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale
I am not claiming to know the details. In regard to this 1913 Liberty nickel, what exactly happened on "October 2, 1972"? Who produced the bar?
After the Olsen-Hawn 1913 was auctioned in January 2010 in Orlando, I stayed up very late writing my review. I e-mailed it to the editor of CoinLink very early the next morning, probably before 6:00 AM. He had it posted not long afterwards. We really thought we had a scoop, a first-person report and an analysis, literally within hours of the sale. While many of my articles fare well in Google search results, this was never one of them. Blurbs on Yahoo and elsewhere beat it. I also covered the sale of the same coin in 1993. I know it well.
ColonelJessup: Analyst, the question was for a particular and specific troll. Beware of the crossfire.
My guess is that, if the target knew the answer, the target would have answered the Colonel's questions. That participant is not bashful. Moreover, there are many people interested in 1804 dollars, especially in the finest known piece. I felt that it was appropriate to publicly answer a public question about the auction of the finest known 1804 dollar in August 1999.
ColonelJessup: You once confronted me about describing (not in print, but in person), another dealer as a pathological liar,
I do not remember the incident. It is true, however, that the Colonel has made negative and personal statements about people at lot viewing sessions, in front of many others. I do not believe that all such statements were true. Even if a particular negative and personal statement is true, it is inappropriate to voice such a statement at an auction lot viewing session or in this forum, IMO. Please read Don Willis's rules.
@Analyst said: TDN: The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting. ... Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale
I am not claiming to know the details. In regard to this 1913 Liberty nickel, what exactly happened on "October 2, 1972"? Who produ
I do not remember the incident. It is true, however, that the Colonel has made negative and personal statements about people at lot viewing sessions, in front of many others. I do not believe that all such statements were true. Even if a particular negative and personal statement is true, it is inappropriate to voice such a statement at an auction lot viewing session or in this forum, IMO. Please read Don Willis's rules.
I like the tell it like you see it or know it over the political correct.
Mark NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!! working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
Just out of curiosity, what did you do for a living that afforded you to be able to drop $10,000,000 on that beautiful beast of a coin? We all dream to be in your position.
Forgive me if it's common knowledge of your former employment, I'm rather new here and it is a privilege to share the /net with you
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When it w> @tradedollarnut said:
When it was obvious on the floor that the Dexter could be in play at a million, there were quite a few in the audience calling to both buyer Hugh Sconyers and his underbidder, in a range of tones from "The Babe is at the plate" to one much like those rooting for the lions in the Colosseum, "Stretch, stretch".
You are OTM about that milestone publicity value. When Kevin Lipton paid over a million for the Flannagan-Kagin specimen, subsequently to be rejoined with the other 1834 proofs in the Queen of Taiwan set, there was no quibbling about the increment but little buzz about the seven-figure price tag . The barrier had already been broken.
Congrats on the Original
note 1: I was the agent/underbidder on the 1804 in the Flannagan Sale. Nobody remembers the name of Sconyers' underbidder on the Dexter coin either.
note 2: Unknown, unimagined to most before KL revealed its existence as a (virtually) complete set, the Queen of Taiwan 1804 proof set is still missing a $10.
Look, I think we all are a bit crazy and have some kind of a coin ego inside of us. Why else would we spend a big part of our wealth and earnings on coins ???
Im happy we have Bruce and I like him exactly the way he is.
Trick question? Parrino's paddle number bought it, but Mike Phillips was holding it.
$1,000,000 was the wrong increment for the underbidder, whom I didn't notice, as per my previous comments.
Back atcha'. Who was the underbidder on the Childs 1804 and who was holding the paddle for the winner.
Wanna hear about my 1804 $1 (formerly known as the Garrett coin).
it's a fine line to walk between shades of envy and jealousy. Both want what you have. Some don't care so much that they don't they have it, only that, because they don't, you aren't entitled either. It's a real shame. Literally.
TDN ain't DJT, and I'm not talking politics, just personalities.
+3
Jerry Bauman was the underbidder on the Dexter coin and he was bidding for Pogue via Akers. I tried very hard to get him to go one more bump when I was calling the sale, and I wished we had not announced only $10,000 increments at the start of the sale or we could have hit the million dollar mark. It was frustrating.
Fwiw - the Dexter 1804 was on my mind when I formulated the nuclear bid amount on the 1794$1. First instinct was $8.5M....which calculated out to $9,987,500.
I hastily added another $25k to that hammer and sent the bid on to Laura as part of our pre auction strategy discussions.
Rumor has it pink hat / green shirt guy in Wrigley was the under bidder for the Cubs franchise a few years ago. He enjoys a nice season seat, No champagne, no WS ring. The Ricketts from Nebraska did the big deal. Point is go big or sit behind home plate.
Look for him this season @ Cubs Wrigley home games, he's there.
Btw - a huge thank you to bkzoopapa for sending me this poster. Note the issue number
I will point out that I have never seen TDN make any disparaging and negative comments regarding what others collect or their budget. He's a passionate collector who shares and talks about his collection, same as us. His collection just happens to be worth many multiples more than most of ours.
Col. Jessup:
David Akers was holding the paddle for the winner. Jay Parrino was the underbidder. I am certain. Brent and his father were present. They and Akers played some kind of bidding game, perhaps to confuse other bidders. Michael Fey and Scott Travers, separately, were both very serious bidders.
ColJessup: Regarding bidding in 1996 for the Eliasberg 1913 Liberty Nickel,
Although my memory is a little foggy and I would need to find my notes, I believe Caddyshack is correct. Someone, probably David Hall, yelled "one million dollars" when the Eliasberg 1913 Liberty Nickel was being offered, before bidding reached that level. No one said that David Hall was the underbidder. I am sure the name of the underbidder is in my notes, if he was physically present.
Also, IMO, the members of this forum should focus on coins and issues of interest to the coin community. It is not a good idea to post public remarks about the personalities or personal lives of coin buyers.
The Charles Stoll history of the 1804 dollar is excellent. The story of Stephen Decatur, Bainbridge and the Philadelphia are chronicled in the excellent book Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates: The Forgotten War That Changed American History which I recently finished. If the 19,570 regular strikes were sent to Africa, I wonder if any are left or if they were all melted.
I just bought the book by Mark Ferguson about the history of my specific coin - looking forward to reading it!
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How about your REAL milestone?
The FIRST COIN you ever added to a collection. Regardless of funds or age.
Still got it?
I was there in the audience when TDN's colleagues (Laura and George) bid on and won the 1794 SP Dollar at the Cardinal sale. It really was interesting how they had prepared and how George was positioned so he could keep an eye on some of the other bidders.
People whine about egos -- would you prefer TDN talk about some common $100 coin? Or a modern issue? Not me.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I enjoy his posts, expensive or inexpensive. The expensive coin posts bring in a discussion that isn't often had here while inexpensive coin posts show that TDN is still a coin nut like us all. Some inexpensive coin posts of his that stand out include recommending keeping a counterfeit trade dollar because it was rare and his recommendation to me on an R8 piece I was considering a while back.
When was the first $1,000 coin?
1900?
Have we confirmed which coin was the first $1,000 coin? Seems like the Dexter Dollar was sold for $1,000 pretty early.
For me it was a 1910 penny. I found it around 1960-61. I was six years old. At the time it seemed ancient. I put it in a flip with a note that read, "I'm so happy." And yes I still have it with the note. I don't know if it was a milestone, but I cherish it to this day. It's a great hobby.
Unless further info comes along, it looks like Dexter 1804 at $1,000 in 1885 and the 1822 $5 at over $10k in 1941.
No
I got a 3. Piece bicentennial set for Xmas in 1976. First coin and still have it. Probably still worth the same 4o years later
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
Look at me, look at me!
I think the $50 gold patterns were the first to sell at the $10k price, supposedly for $10k each in 1909...
pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/61890
Congrats on those coins with the FOUR big milestones!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
It's now FIVE milestones with FOUR coins
Why - are you adding to an interesting discussion even one iota?
...just a little thirsty that's all
Great thread Bruce. Love hearing the history of such important coins.
But did you ever get your picture on a bubble gum card? Lucy van Pelt says that Beethoven is a nobody because he never got his picture on a bubble gum card!!!
In 1989, a dealer in the Midwest bought and sold a territorial gold coin privately for more than $1 million. I believe that Yaffe was co-owner and seller of this piece to the dealer in the Midwest, who I am not naming. He was a defendant in multiple legal cases. This coin may have been a Proof 1852/1 $20 Humbert. I am writing from memory at the moment.
Was it widely reported that the Olsen-'Hawaii 5O'-Buss-Hawn 1913 Liberty Nickel sold privately for $100,000 in the 1970s? Maybe one of the members here would be willing to enlighten us?
Does anyone know the first U.S. coin to sell at auction for more than $100,000? There were six figure items in Garrett sales of 1979 to 1981, though most of these were pre-1793 pieces or pioneer gold rather than federal coins. Earlier in the 1970s, a Silver Center Copper cent pattern may have been auctioned for more than $100,000 in an event conducted by an auction firm unknown to me. This, though, is not a U.S. coin.
PrivateRareCoinCollector:
I am, too. The criticism of TDN in this thread is unfair. For people who do not like this thread, there are other forums and other discussions in this forum. Any member can start his own thread.
Bruce is definitely a very positive force within the coin community.
Incredible Carter-Lustig-Cardinal-Morelan 1794 silver dollar
The first US coin to sell for more than $100k was the Olsen specimen of the 1913 Liberty Head nickel. The thing that got this thread started was me coming across the little silver art bar commemorating the sale - it jogged my cognizance that - hey - I have more than one milestone coin, isn't that interesting.
(Edited to add that I wasn't aware it was a private sale)
Yes. I can recall TDN giving us a thread on a rattler 1929-s MS65 RED (?) Lincoln he had cherry picked. While only a 3 figure coin, he described the action as if it were 6 figures. And it was just as interesting to read about his thoughts why the coin was a lot nicer than the grade suggested.
That is a cool silver bar, especially if you had the nickel to go with it.
Maybe you could commission the making of a few bars for the other big milestones if you get the dates and coins ironed out.
Analyst, the question was for a particular and specific troll. Beware of the crossfire.
As per giving voice to negatives. Sweet, but incredibly naïve. You once confronted me about describing (not in print, but in person), another dealer as a pathological liar,
Well..... two points.
Firstly, everyone (else) knows that about him already.
Secondly, as a licensed professional, I was not offering an opinion. It was a clinical observation of behavior patterns leading to a diagnosis. But this is gratuitous, because,,,,,
Thirdly, everyone knows that about him already.
Rare coins, like politics, ain't beanbag.
TDN:
I am not claiming to know the details. In regard to this 1913 Liberty nickel, what exactly happened on "October 2, 1972"? Who produced the bar?
After the Olsen-Hawn 1913 was auctioned in January 2010 in Orlando, I stayed up very late writing my review. I e-mailed it to the editor of CoinLink very early the next morning, probably before 6:00 AM. He had it posted not long afterwards. We really thought we had a scoop, a first-person report and an analysis, literally within hours of the sale. While many of my articles fare well in Google search results, this was never one of them. Blurbs on Yahoo and elsewhere beat it. I also covered the sale of the same coin in 1993. I know it well.
Olsen-Hawn 1913 Liberty Nickel Sells for $3,737,500
ColonelJessup:
My guess is that, if the target knew the answer, the target would have answered the Colonel's questions. That participant is not bashful. Moreover, there are many people interested in 1804 dollars, especially in the finest known piece. I felt that it was appropriate to publicly answer a public question about the auction of the finest known 1804 dollar in August 1999.
ColonelJessup:
I do not remember the incident. It is true, however, that the Colonel has made negative and personal statements about people at lot viewing sessions, in front of many others. I do not believe that all such statements were true. Even if a particular negative and personal statement is true, it is inappropriate to voice such a statement at an auction lot viewing session or in this forum, IMO. Please read Don Willis's rules.
TDN is one of those collectors who has lots to share and I am grateful that he does. There are some advanced collectors who keep it all to themselves.
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Pettiness is a bad look.
Thanks for sharing TDN.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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It takes real stones to collect Yap Money!
oh yeah???
http://www.classicalmpr.org/blog/classical-notes/2014/09/15/sorry_lucy_beet
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
Your gonna have to pay closer attention to your treasures. You must be getting old as I am
ROFLMAO
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
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Analyst, the Midwest dealer's name on the Territorial was Mike Blodgett. You're right about it being the Proof Humbert. I'm informed by many of his creditors he stiffed people for millions. Glad you respected his privacy. Just like I would about the long-time dealer doing 8 years for child pornography. Or more than a couple of thieves.
If John Albanese didn't suspect I knew something about coin doctoring, I wouldn't have been on the PNG Coin Doctoring Definition committee. I also share this information at Summer Seminar and with dealers and collectors.
Based on your Victorian sense of decorum, this purported contumely and calumny, even if true, is unacceptable. But if Queen Victoria knew about a crooked jeweler she might mention it to the Duchess of Marlborough. Likely more sotto voce than would I.
Want to know who's been caught stealing, I'll know. Want to know whose good check is wobbly right now? 4-18 hours depending on your time zone. I may check the questioner out before I answer the inquiry. Some prudence and discretion are involved, but the thieves and con-men, let alone the (shamefully protected) pedophiles (note plural) and child pornographers are fair game. Numerous PM's have gone out to Forum members I deem sensible about various forms of "you are vulnerable, watch out" "sleaze-bags I have known"
It's called the grapevine. We're all on it.
The Stacks Bowers staff and I (all knowing each other for over ten years) had our laughing fit over this dealer's diagnosis long after any collector had left. We all know you're a brilliant and meticulous researcher, and are able to marshal many facts that support your arguments. But I lose confidence when you aver that some joker wouldn't pay up for The 1833 $5 Proof as its merchantability was impaired because a grade of 67 was not a sure thing. The coin faces up as a 68DCAM. The coin is beyond imagining. But I'm just throwing shade to undermine your argument. Beyond your few inaccuracies and misapprehensions, you are 95% on the money, and perform valuable service to our community.
Notwithstanding this well-earned professional respect, you would have turned red if you'd heard what we said about you after you'd left. Consider, however, that, according to gossip related to me later by one of those selfsame SBG staffers, a so-called friend, after I left I wasn't halfway out the door before many sad, very sad things were said about me. Likely mostly partially true. Likely worse than you think. Did you know my 1804 $1 (formerly known as the Garrett coin) was doctored with THC? It's gone up in grade a couple of times since then, Pre-sniffer.
I hope you're taking this as semi-seriously as I do.
One of my guilty pleasures is sniffing sulfur.
I like the tell it like you see it or know it over the political correct.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
TDN also likes holed coins as well. High value was not all important to him but sentimentality was important to him!
The Norweb 1885 has been known to smoke a cigar or two....
A $100 million coin should occur within 30 years. The average new car will be over $150k by then.
And congrats to TDN on the milestones.
Just out of curiosity, what did you do for a living that afforded you to be able to drop $10,000,000 on that beautiful beast of a coin? We all dream to be in your position.
Forgive me if it's common knowledge of your former employment, I'm rather new here and it is a privilege to share the /net with you
I own my own businesses. Electrical and cabling contracting.