NGC Black Holder ?

RPM2 · April 23, 2017 7:17PM

I have a chance to make an offer on a original black holder ngc. What is the value of this coin. It is a 1939 proof Washington Quarter Prf 65 is the grade. The coin is nice with no problems. The holder also has no problems. Any information you can give would be nice. I don't have photos right now.

msch1man · April 23, 2017 7:28PM

A Barber Dime in an NGC Black Holder sold just today for almost $3200 with the juice on Great Collections...http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/447415

BStrauss3 · April 23, 2017 7:32PM

There is a thread on the NGC board where one member has a standing offer on NGC Black slabs. Don't remember what he's up to.

roadrunner · April 23, 2017 7:57PM

@msch1man said:
A Barber Dime in an NGC Black Holder sold just today for almost $3200 with the juice on Great Collections...http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/447415

4 bidders on that coin at $2500 and up. Rather than make an offer on the 1939 25c....see what they want.

RPM2 · April 23, 2017 8:01PM

Thanks

DRUNNER · April 23, 2017 8:33PM

The above numbers seem very accurate according to what I have paid, and what I have been offered.

Drunner

astrorat · April 23, 2017 8:43PM

Please share the serial number when you get a chance so I can add it to the list of known NGC Black holders ... if you don't mind.

Coinstartled · April 24, 2017 2:14AM

Spensive plastic.

ricko · April 24, 2017 4:01AM

This makes me wish I had picked up the one's I saw years ago at coin shows.....Cheers, RickO

astrorat · April 24, 2017 4:40AM

@ricko said:
This makes me wish I had picked up the one's I saw years ago at coin shows.....Cheers, RickO

You aren't the only one!

asheland · April 24, 2017 10:30AM

Offer one hundred dollars. CASH!

coindeuce · April 24, 2017 2:12PM

DRUNNER · April 24, 2017 4:49PM

The overall collectability of holders is specifically related to history, and of course those who desire to profit off of the rarity. I always read the proliferation of posts regarding "collecting the coin" and I certainly understand . . . this is a COIN site, not a plastic site.

Yet, coins are history, and the modern era of collecting experienced a huge revolution in 1986 (yes, certain slabs occurred before) when the top-tier TPGs began their revamping of our hobby. I won't go into the advantages the TPGs have given us, or the various problems perceived by the grading era . . but it WAS an ERA! The hobby has never been the same, and so the related history of the early holders has become part of this site. I don't think anyone would argue that the slabbing rates, durations, eras (grading tightness???), apocrypha (the reasons behind the advent of the Doily are spectacular parts of history!), or technology have been anything other than great peripheral information for our hobby.

The White Rattlers . . . .NGC Black . . . .Regency . . . .2.0/2.1s . . . .and Doilies represent an era of history. Supply and demand indicates there might be a premium attached. It should never be considered an 'attack' on coins, or any denigration of the hobby. It is just a natural outgrowth of those who appreciate history, and an era of our hobby that revolutionized our appreciation.

Those who might desire an example of the early holders are preserving history, just as many of you who preserve history in coinage. The NGC Black is the ultimate rarity due to a small slabbing duration, a very minimal slabbing rate, and the overall lack of appreciation of coins when sitting in that color slab. That of course led to the NGC 2.1 . . .and the rest is, as I mentioned . . . . . . . history.

Drunner

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 6:47PM

@astrorat said:
Please share the serial number when you get a chance so I can add it to the list of known NGC Black holders ... if you don't mind.

DollarAfterDollar · April 24, 2017 6:57PM

I see glue residue on the plastic. DON'T get anywhere near it with acetone. Polish that off with a cleaner wax or GOOgone.

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 7:06PM

This coin could be bought possible. It could be heading to a auction house shortly. Let me know if you are interested.

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 7:07PM

@DollarAfterDollar said:
I see glue residue on the plastic. DON'T get anywhere near it with acetone. Polish that off with a cleaner wax or GOOgone.

@DollarAfterDollar said:
I see glue residue on the plastic. DON'T get anywhere near it with acetone. Polish that off with a cleaner wax or GOOgone.

I am not going to touch it with anything.

erwindoc · April 24, 2017 7:31PM

Nice avatar!

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 8:15PM

For better viewing.

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 8:32PM

And

Wabbit2313 · April 24, 2017 8:42PM

This went from, I can make an offer on one of these to, Hey everyone, it's for sale and here are the pics!

RPM2 · April 24, 2017 9:04PM

@Wabbit2313 said:
This went from, I can make an offer on one of these to, Hey everyone, it's for sale and here are the pics!

Things move quick with an item like this.

astrorat · April 25, 2017 5:14AM

Thanks for the images.

You are perfectly safe to use a quality plastic cleaner, like Meguiars PlastX with a soft terry cloth, to remove sticker residue.

Wabbit2313 · April 25, 2017 6:01AM

https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/411374-ngc-black-holder/

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 7:36AM

Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

PerryHall · April 25, 2017 7:40AM

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

Wabbit2313 · April 25, 2017 8:28AM

@PerryHall said:

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

There could be black magic marker on the coin, and in that slab, no one would care.

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 8:41AM

@Wabbit2313 said:

@PerryHall said:

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

There could be black magic marker on the coin, and in that slab, no one would care.

Maybe plastic idolators wouldn't care, but most dedicated numismatists do.

RPM2 · April 25, 2017 9:43AM

I would to take all the credit or the heat for this coin. Fact is I very good friend owns the coin and is wanting to sell it. I told him I would help him advertise the coin. He will be taking it to Central States this week. He is exploring his options of putting it in a auction. It was offer at at the Georgia State Show last weekend. I am just trying to get the word out for him. He doesn't do the message boards or anything like that. The photos were taken quickly by him and sent to me. There have been several people message me about the price. I have given the same price for all. The coin has a little hazy and toning. Nothing major. I will try to help buyer and seller.

Wabbit2313 · April 25, 2017 10:28AM

@coindeuce said:

@Wabbit2313 said:

@PerryHall said:

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

There could be black magic marker on the coin, and in that slab, no one would care.

Maybe plastic idolators wouldn't care, but most dedicated numismatists do.

The $250 barber dime above sold for $3200. The coin means very little.

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 10:32AM

@Wabbit2313 said:

@coindeuce said:

@Wabbit2313 said:

@PerryHall said:

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

There could be black magic marker on the coin, and in that slab, no one would care.

Maybe plastic idolators wouldn't care, but most dedicated numismatists do.

The $250 barber dime above sold for $3200. The coin means very little.

I don't see any black magic marker or any other foreign substance on the Barber dime. If there was, I'm sure that it would not have realized $3200, no matter what you claim.

Wabbit2313 · April 25, 2017 10:33AM

@coindeuce said:

@Wabbit2313 said:

@coindeuce said:

@Wabbit2313 said:

@PerryHall said:

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I noticed that too. I just assumed it was a reflection on the slab.

There could be black magic marker on the coin, and in that slab, no one would care.

Maybe plastic idolators wouldn't care, but most dedicated numismatists do.

The $250 barber dime above sold for $3200. The coin means very little.

I don't see any black magic marker or any other foreign substance on the Barber dime. If there was, I'm sure that it would not have realized $3200, no matter what you claim.

Please put me back on your block list. I forgot how much I enjoyed that.

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 10:34AM

How many problem coins in collectible holders do you own ?
I'm sure that you've already offered thousands for the OP's coin, eh ? I'm happy for you if you have.
BTW, I haven't passed any judgement on the coin, as I just asked a straightforward question and got a response, for which I respect of the OP.
So what is your point in trying to troll me ?

PerryHall · April 25, 2017 10:37AM

If there was a Magic Marker or Sharpie mark on the slab it could easily be removed with any very fine plastic polish unless it were on the NGC logo.

Bochiman · April 25, 2017 10:44AM

@RPM2 said:
I would to take all the credit or the heat for this coin. Fact is I very good friend owns the coin and is wanting to sell it. I told him I would help him advertise the coin. He will be taking it to Central States this week. He is exploring his options of putting it in a auction. It was offer at at the Georgia State Show last weekend. I am just trying to get the word out for him. He doesn't do the message boards or anything like that. The photos were taken quickly by him and sent to me. There have been several people message me about the price. I have given the same price for all. The coin has a little hazy and toning. Nothing major. I will try to help buyer and seller.

Why didn't you lead with that instead of the original post that appears you were a buyer with an unknown person looking to sell?
Appears a bit sneaky, imho.

I, personally, get a bit thin skinned here when threads are started on the USCF about a coin and it very quickly and clearly turns into a FOR SALE thread for that coin. "Hey! just got my grades back...what do you think? Oh yeah...the coin is for sale!" "Hey, how much is this coin worth in this holder? Btw.....any offers for it? It's for sale!" Etc.

Just come out on this one in the OP and say "friend has a black slab for sale, unsure of it's worth...he is looking to sell it at a show but wants to be fair and not leave much on the table". Much more open and honest way to do it, imho.

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 10:45AM

@PerryHall said:
If there was a Magic Marker or Sharpie mark on the slab it could easily be removed with any very fine plastic polish unless it were on the NGC logo.

If you read the claim above by SillyWabbit, the statement was relevant to marker ink ON the coin, just to be the center of attention.

astrorat · April 25, 2017 11:17AM

@coindeuce said:
Please correct me if my observation is mistaken. The obverse appears to have a film of haze over the entire side.

I have a Barber dime in a Black NGC holder that also has a hazy film. Sadly, it detracts from the coin and gives a "yeah, but" comment for the collectible holder.

I have a number of hazed proof and MS coins in the small, white ANACS holders that I use for a grading class. I think most of these hazy-surfaced coins are the result of dipping and poor rinsing. But ... that's just a guess.

astrorat · April 25, 2017 11:21AM

@RPM2 said:
I would to take all the credit or the heat for this coin. Fact is I very good friend owns the coin and is wanting to sell it. I told him I would help him advertise the coin. He will be taking it to Central States this week. He is exploring his options of putting it in a auction. It was offer at at the Georgia State Show last weekend. I am just trying to get the word out for him. He doesn't do the message boards or anything like that. The photos were taken quickly by him and sent to me. There have been several people message me about the price. I have given the same price for all. The coin has a little hazy and toning. Nothing major. I will try to help buyer and seller.

Since you are relatively new to the forum you may not be aware that this kind of post should be on the Buy, Sell, and Trade forum. It's clear you are trying to broker the sale of the coin. No problem ... it's just the wrong venue and that may get some folks a little testy.

telephoto1 · April 25, 2017 11:29AM

@Bochiman said:

I, personally, get a bit thin skinned here when threads are started on the USCF about a coin and it very quickly and clearly turns into a FOR SALE thread for that coin. "Hey! just got my grades back...what do you think? Oh yeah...the coin is for sale!" "Hey, how much is this coin worth in this holder? Btw.....any offers for it? It's for sale!" Etc.

Just come out on this one in the OP and say "friend has a black slab for sale, unsure of it's worth...he is looking to sell it at a show but wants to be fair and not leave much on the table". Much more open and honest way to do it, imho.

This.
I don't like clickbait titles in threads that end up just being back door "for sale" ads for the item in question.

Wabbit2313 · April 25, 2017 11:40AM

@coindeuce said:

@PerryHall said:
If there was a Magic Marker or Sharpie mark on the slab it could easily be removed with any very fine plastic polish unless it were on the NGC logo.

If you read the claim above by SillyWabbit, the statement was relevant to marker ink ON the coin, just to be the center of attention.

Please google "Sarcasm" and then you might understand the point with these black holders. Then again, you probably won't.

RPM2 · April 25, 2017 11:47AM

Can this thread be moved or deleted. I apologize for misleading some.

coindeuce · April 25, 2017 11:54AM

@Wabbit2313 said:
This went from, I can make an offer on one of these to, Hey everyone, it's for sale and here are the pics!

Your sarcasm was duly noted.

Sandman70gt · April 25, 2017 12:51PM

Kids, play nice.
Cant we all just get along?

DollarAfterDollar · April 25, 2017 1:41PM

OK, as it turns out this was an offer for sale and as such should have been on the BST. The fact that it's something pretty rare and interesting implies to me that having it listed elsewhere isn't the worse thing in the world.

If it were a rare coin offered on the BST it would have made it's way here.

astrorat · April 26, 2017 6:51AM

@RPM2 said:
Can this thread be moved or deleted. I apologize for misleading some.

Just start a thread on the B/S/T and delete (or edit) your original post so it is more ... um ... transparent.

NGC Black Holder ?

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