George I 1723 Crown grade back from our Host
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Hopefully the PCGS image in connection with my recent submission is attached. The coin is a 1723 Crown and the image is good but this is a difficult coin to capture and perhaps even more of a challenge to grade. I recall several George I shillings and coppers have been posted in the past, but I am unable to recall whether an image of a crown has been posted before. So feel free to comment... share your thoughts.. and even offer a grade.
George I Crowns are not an easy find in a desirable state of preservation. PCGS has currently graded 29 for the series. And as for the most available date which is the 1723, PCGS has graded 5 as AU55 and even fewer as MS. This series is plagued by flecking, haymarking and adjustment marks. All of these production issues were standard and extended from the reign of Charles II to George II. So the challenge is to find an acceptable planchet with minimal issues which is easier said than done. We can then factor in that no mintage records were kept or survived over the years. One can only speculate as to the surviving population.
This example has a darker tone the can best be described as a gun medal grey with crisp details that evidence cabinet friction. The rims and fields ar above average with minimal imperfections other than adjustment marks.. Grading obviously has a subjective component. Distractions such as adjustment marks or a deeper tone can negatively impact the very nature of grading. So the real questions and purpose of sharing the image and my commentary are three fold:
Appreciate the characteristics of coins within a series and understand the pitfalls associated with what influences the subjective nature of grading;
Having standards for grading is terrific, however, those standards have to be realistic and based what exists and available; and
Grading is an opinion and opinions can change whereas the coin remains constant unless it has been enhanced. Reasonable minds can have a different opinion without being wrong but some opinions carry more weight than others. My point here is finding the right coin is under estimated.
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It looks like at least a 53 or 55 to me, but it's hard to tell. AU50 seems a little on the low side though. Resubmitting can't hurt in this case imo.
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Can't stand slabs, but thats a beautiful crown!
A George I crown was a tough one for me to obtain. I finally snagged one from Spink & Son, back in December of 2003. A 1720/18. Unslabbed, I believe that it was considered to be VF+. Unfortunately, this was before I began imaging my acquisitions.
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I loved this coin when you shared it with me in Baltimore. I would guess 55?
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I would have guessed AU53 so I am not surprised with the 50 you got.
But like you said, it's only an opinion....
..... So the challenge is to find an acceptable planchet with minimal issues which is easier said than done.
My eye says you did very well.
I've never felt PCGS quite understands the fabric of very early milled UK material. They tend to be exceptional on late G3 coinage going forward, just not the late 17th c. and early 18th c. bits and bobs.
I really like that crown!
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I have 1689 half crown in NGC 58, with some light flecking. Does that affect the value much?
Fair question which largely depends on severity and location. If the coin looks great for what it is, there is likely no real impact.
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Got a picture? I'd like to see that!
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@coinkat, yours is much nicer than mine.
I forgot there was a SSC crown . Wow.
That's awesome. I've always found the South Sea types interesting.
I just have the shilling, which I've no doubt posted before.
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Nice example... Perhaps a 30 with a reverse that is better. Looks as if it was graded.
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This thread motivated to take out my crown and put it out for display!
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Terrific example.
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Oh and very nice images too
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Y'all have made me want one.
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After checking my records, it's actually a 55, sorry. 6 at NGC, and more at our host I assume.
@coinkat, you are correct, NGC VF 30.
The coin I posted graded AU50. Thanks for the comments
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