Is there any interest in Briggs die pairs here?
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I see very little in the terms of Briggs die pairs on this site. Is there little to no interest in collecting seated quarters by die pairs?
I have a quarter struck by an obverse die not listed in his book, but if there is no interest I guess it means little to most...
Of course this thread would be worthless without pictures 
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The photo did not stick. I'll try it again.
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Nice coin. Tough date!
Very nice CC quarter.... no idea about Briggs.... Cheers, RickO
Thank you guys. One of the top coins in my collection that I picked up a number of years ago. I was going to pick up it's sister, a Briggs 1A, yesterday in the Heritage auction but it went for moon money for some reason.
Wow, page two and no input or interest in this area. I'll bump this back up to page one for one last try and see if the non-vampire group is any different...
Nice coin!
I know nothing about these or Briggs yet. I did get my first seated quarter today though!!!
You have my interest and attention.
Varieties are very appealing. I would enjoy any discussion or explanations of the subject, here or in PM.
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Hi Bat... Love that 1875 CC ! There are a substantial number of 'die hard' Liberty Seated Quarter Collectors out there and there will always be strong competition for exceptional pieces. Collecting by Briggs Die Pair, I'm not so sure.
Briggs did a great job on his 1991 work, but it is now 25+ years old. There are a lot of new die pairs that have been discovered since then that are not easily referenced in ways that are available for dimes (Gerry Fortin), half dollars (Bill Bugert), and dollars (Brian Greer & Dick Osburn).
Recommend that you try out the Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) website if you have not done so at: lsccweb.org.
Just my thoughts and keep up the great work !
There are some big time seated people who frequent this board, but I haven't seen many discussions on die pairs.
Amazing what a guy forgets after a few years of not playing. I have an account over there, just had not posted over there in the last six years...
I had to reset my password to get back in. Kinda neat to look back at the old posts. Just a real slow site over there.
The Liberty Seated quarters I have are due to their die state rather than die pair, although some are included in Briggs. Here is a common 1854 with late die state reverse, but I have absolutely no idea which die pair it is...
Unfortunately, there is not much interest in most Briggs die marriages in general. I have this one below, for which my census suggest <30 extant (R6), but no premium for rarity or anything else. Only 1 of this die marriage has been certified by PCGS (P64). Not like in bust coinage where ≥R5 carries large premium and interest.
It is the Briggs plate example for this die marriage to boot.......
Best, SH
I saw your post of this 1875-cc over on the LSCC forum. More detailed discussion of Briggs varieties takes place over there, as that forum is specific to Seated quarters. The traffic is much lower on that site than it is here, however, and you may have to wait several days for a few responses to pop up. The US coin forum here is more likely to yield quick responses regarding opinions of grade and eye appeal, with quite a few more viewers. Several of us do collect Seated quarters here, but there are not many attribution threads about Seated coinage varieties.
The obverse of your 1875-cc looks like Briggs obverse 2 to me (though perhaps you are seeing something I missed). The date position matches (left edge of "1" under shield line 7), and the lightly impressed stars with weak centrils are consistent with Briggs' description. The reverse is quickly identified as Briggs' "A" reverse by the mint mark position. According to Briggs, the die pairings are usually 1-A and 2-B for this date, but yours looks like a 2-A to me. Interesting. I will get out my two examples of the 1875-cc and see what I find.
Here is the better of my two 1875-cc quarters. The reverse is Briggs' "B" reverse, with mintmark position shifted to the left (compared to your example). The obverse has strongly impressed stars, unlike obverse 2, and it has a light die crack from the top of the cap through star 8 and Liberty's head, continuing to the lower point of star 7. The date position is similar to obverse 2. It lacks the die rust described for obverse 1.
The PCGS MS65+ example of this date on Coinfacts has the same obverse die as mine, with the crack through the head. It was possibly misattributed as a 2-B in a recent Heritage sale, where it sold for somewhat over $30k. Here is a link:
pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinImages.aspx?s=5499
It looks like more research into the die marriages for this date is warranted.
Bump for being interesting
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I really like it .... it's been hard finding a good one without paying $$$$$$. She is a keeper for sure
This thread got me thinking about die pairs for all the mushy Jefferson nickels that have been graded over the years. There's only one pair...............sorry wore out dies!
Very nice CC quarter, btw.
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Interesting to see this thread resurrected from the depths!
I took the rest of the conversation over to:
https://tapatalk.com/groups/seateddimes/1875-cc-unknown-obverse-die-i-ll-call-it-a-3a-for--t5437.html
I often prioritize eye appeal and color. I've found it hard to do that and rare die pairs together.