King of Siam Proof Set
Does anyone know if Steve Contursi still owns the King of Siam proof set? I know it was graded by PCGS in 2004 and he bought it in 2005. Haven't heard anything since then.
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So does that mean it has been broken up? It's too bad if that is true. :'(
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?1 -
@joebb21 said:
He sold it off.The proof dollar was graded pr68 and was sold eventually to pogue
No. The Childs coin is PR68. The King of Siam coin remains in the set and is PR67. It has nice eye appeal but with an obvious spot removed in the obverse field
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TDN is correct. The Pogue coin was presented to the Sultan of Muscat.
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Exactly. Pogue bought his PR 68 1804 $ in 1999 for $4,140,000 when the Childs Collection was auctioned off by Bowers.
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@david3142 said:
The Pogue coin was presented to the Sultan of Muscat.At this point, this is Numislore. The provenance through the Sultan of Muscat - Sultan of Muscat heirs - Eschwege - Watters is pure conjecture. I think those even more in the know who wrote about this coin would acknowledge as much.
I've been doing research on other coins in these presentation sets, and so far about all I've seen is a void of information, creating yet more uncertainty.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.0 -
the siam set is currently owned by a long time CA collector-not a dealer.
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This thread needs some pics
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just gorgeous. Love that set.
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I saw the set up close (and a few other goodies) when it was on display for a while at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. Paid $6 for the privilege. Best numismatic money I ever spent.
https://www.pcgs.com/News/Mandalay-Bay-And-The-Kings-Coin-Set-Lure-Las-Vegas
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...and what happened to the other two sets?
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I remember the pic of this set that was posted my Lordmarcoven. They were all holed
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@Overdate said:
I saw the set up close (and a few other goodies) when it was on display for a while at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. Paid $6 for the privilege. Best numismatic money I ever spent.
https://www.pcgs.com/News/Mandalay-Bay-And-The-Kings-Coin-Set-Lure-Las-VegasI saw them at the casino in Vegas also, wonderful coins!! I hope they go on public display in the future, I would love the opportunity to see them again.
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Love the 1833 Andrew Jackson gold inaugural medal. Wish Presidents still had medals like these!
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@joebb21 said:
He sold it off.The proof dollar was graded pr68 and was sold eventually to pogue
I think the Proof Dollar graded NGC PR 67 and maybe also PCGS PR 67 now. The Pogue coin is ex Childs auction 1999 at 4 Mio USD, PR 68.
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Here is Lord Marcovan's picture. Over the years a couple of the pieces have been lost.
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This is an old pic of the famed King of Siam Set. It is simply beautiful.
Enjoy.
P.S. The pic was from an old ANA magazine.
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See the spot in the field off Star #2? I put a glass to that and there was obvious pin scratching around it - an attempt at removal. Still a great coin - but PR67?
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@tradedollarnut said:
@joebb21 said:
He sold it off.The proof dollar was graded pr68 and was sold eventually to pogue
No. The Childs coin is PR68. The King of Siam coin remains in the set and is PR67. It has nice eye appeal but with an obvious spot removed in the obverse field
You guys are funny keep up the good work 🥇
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@tyler267 said:
@Overdate said:
I saw the set up close (and a few other goodies) when it was on display for a while at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. Paid $6 for the privilege. Best numismatic money I ever spent.
https://www.pcgs.com/News/Mandalay-Bay-And-The-Kings-Coin-Set-Lure-Las-VegasI saw them at the casino in Vegas also, wonderful coins!! I hope they go on public display in the future, I would love the opportunity to see them again.
They had the set displayed at a Long Beach show a zillion years ago (1994 ish)...pretty cool.
jom
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@Zoins said:
Love the 1833 Andrew Jackson gold inaugural medal. Wish Presidents still had medals like these!In recent decades, the inaugural committees have been offering small versions of the medal in gold. They tend to be very pricey relative to melt. In 1953, a small number of charm sized medals were made for First Lady Mammie Eisenhower and some other Republican ladies. I have never heard of one of those pieces coming to market, but I don’t follow inaugural medals that much either.
The Jackson medal was struck with an original and a restrike reverse. The original medal in silver, which was struck with same dies as the gold piece, is not that rare. I’ve had one for many years. I believe that the Jackson inaugural medal was added to this set to fill a hole. It was not part of the set years ago.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?1 -
Yes, the King of Siam proof set still remains intact, and was purchased by the collector known as the "Tyrant." The 1804 $10 Proof gold coin was on display at the Long Beach Expo, along with ALL of the $10 Gold pieces from 1795 through 1933!
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@cardinal said:
Yes, the King of Siam proof set still remains intact, and was purchased by the collector known as the "Tyrant." The 1804 $10 Proof gold coin was on display at the Long Beach Expo, along with ALL of the $10 Gold pieces from 1795 through 1933!Do we know what happened to the sets intended for:
- Sultan of Muscat
- Emperor of Japan
- Lords of Cochin-China
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@Zoins said:
@cardinal said:
Yes, the King of Siam proof set still remains intact, and was purchased by the collector known as the "Tyrant." The 1804 $10 Proof gold coin was on display at the Long Beach Expo, along with ALL of the $10 Gold pieces from 1795 through 1933!Do we know what happened to the sets intended for:
- Sultan of Muscat
- Emperor of Japan
- Lords of Cochin-China
These presentation sets contained Classic Gold quarter eagles and half eagles dated 1834. As part of my research for the book on U.S. Classic Gold Coins, I accumulated archival information regarding these sets. It became an excellent offshoot project, and I plan to eventually publish on this topic.
As has been written, two sets were delivered as diplomatic gifts, and two were returned to the U.S. At the least the Classic Gold coins within these sets survived. I presume that the other coins in the sets survived as well.
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Here are links to catalog images posted by the Newman Numismatic Portal from when Superior auctioned it in the 1990 market peak for $3,190,000. It autioned again in the down market around 1993 for only $1,815,000 also by Superior. But I don't think that catalog is online.
At that time the Half Dime and the Jackson Medal were not part of it. They were added in later.
The PCGS grades were different at the time with most lower than present. In the 1990's it then went to NGC getting higher grades, then back to PCGS with some higher than original grades. In the 2 weekly publications, arguments ensued in the letters sections about third party grading. I think it has been regraded at least once more since the 1990's. Not sure what the grades are currently.
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May 1990 Superior Father Flanagan's Boys Home auction pages showing the zoomable color photos:https://archive.org/details/fatherflanagansb1990supe/page/n47/mode/2up
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May 1990 Superior Father Flanagan's Boys Home auction pages showing the zoomable black and white photos of the full PCGS slabs:https://archive.org/details/fatherflanagansb1990supe/page/192/mode/2up
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Lots more info about the set in that catalog. Worth flipping through to see more. Some at the beginning of the catalog and some at the lot description."To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
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See May, 2016 Coin Week article on-line for some information regarding the Sultan of Muscat set. For some reason, I can't include the link and still get my post to show. A search for "Sultan of Muscat 1804 set" should bring it up.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Thank you!
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Looks like the article may just be a reprinting of the Pogue auction lot description found here, though I didn't fully check it:
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
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