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1793 U.S. silver dollar

SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

I just purchased a copy of a book published in 1808 in London, discussing silver and gold coins issued by countries around the world. One of the plates of engravings features an image of a U. S. silver dollar, dated 1793:

I will begin a search for this elusive piece immediately. I want one.

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭

    and that bust type wasn't the earliest version

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have seen other illustrations from this era with non-existent dates, but had not seen this one before!

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool! It would be awesome to collect each of those types (of course, with actual dates)

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 1, 2017 1:06PM

    How plausible is it for a 1793 to have been struck?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    How plausible is it for a 1793 to have beens struck?

    Totally impossible. The new Mint did not yet have a coining press big enough to strike dollars, and the Mint's officials had not yet met the performance bond requirements required to strike precious metal coins.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who issued that performance bond?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @Zoins said:
    How plausible is it for a 1793 to have beens struck?

    Totally impossible. The new Mint did not yet have a coining press big enough to strike dollars, and the Mint's officials had not yet met the performance bond requirements required to strike precious metal coins.

    Since we just have an engraving of the obverse, they could have struck a quarter dollar since it is smaller in diameter than a large cent. As for precious metals, could it be a pattern? I do agree, it seems implausible but I'm not sure it would be impossible yet.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "1793" bust dollars are mentioned in a few letters to the Mint. Fakes were made, possibly based on false illustrations such as shown above.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TDN has it in one of his loafers.

  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Geez, the author could have just Googled it and got it right. Oh wait, it was 1808... Google was a guy on a horse/ship who took 8 months to respond to queries.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    "1793" bust dollars are mentioned in a few letters to the Mint. Fakes were made, possibly based on false illustrations such as shown above.

    Might be kind of cool to see a contemporary counterfeit.

  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @RogerB said:
    "1793" bust dollars are mentioned in a few letters to the Mint. Fakes were made, possibly based on false illustrations such as shown above.

    Might be kind of cool to see a contemporary counterfeit.

    No, no, no---you HATE contemporary counterfeits, and would much rather collect just about anything else. B)

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:
    Very cool! It would be awesome to collect each of those types (of course, with actual dates)

    I agree

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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top right image would be a good start for the obverse. :#

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, maybe it's just a matter of time until DCARR engraves some dies and starts overstriking cull bust dollars with 1793 date.

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:
    Well, maybe it's just a matter of time until DCARR engraves some dies and starts overstriking cull bust dollars with 1793 date.

    I was thinking the same thing! lol

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just an artists conception of such a coin.... should one such coin be found, it would be counterfeit... Cheers, RickO

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