What is wrong with this 1918 d penny?

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anthonypacy
anthonypacy Posts: 23 ✭
edited March 31, 2017 8:24PM in U.S. Coin Forum

It appears to be a solid au coin on the obverse, but on the reverse the wheat ears are close to non existent. The thick and smooth surface and the stretched "e plurbus unium" made me think that this isn't just a beaten to hell reverse, some kind of die error maybe? (Note the extra metal on the rim by liberty.)

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  • deefree49
    deefree49 Posts: 282 ✭✭✭
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    A lot of early Denver mint pennies have that stretched look to them towards the outside edges. Probably from overused dies and incorrect pressure during the minting process. It really wasn't until the late 1920's that the overall quality of D mint pennies improved.

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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @deefree49 said:
    A lot of early Denver mint pennies have that stretched look to them towards the outside edges. Probably from overused dies and incorrect pressure during the minting process. It really wasn't until the late 1920's that the overall quality of D mint pennies improved.

    This is correct, although I would opine that it wasn't until 1935 or so when this problem was significantly corrected.
    1934-D coins are usually very weak on the reverse, as are some 1935-D.
    Even at that later date, occasionally specimens of 1936 show up with the same look.
    From 1937 forward, the reverse dies apparently were changed with greater frequency, resulting in decent strikes.

  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Closed in D". Rare in anyones book. (I'd suggest having pcgs authenticate after a currate but that gets lots of negative reviews on this page.)

  • Jcld
    Jcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭
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    @abcde12345 said:
    "Closed in D". Rare in anyones book. (I'd suggest having pcgs authenticate after a currate but that gets lots of negative reviews on this page.)

    What is a Closed in D?

  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2017 10:32PM
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    @Jcld said:

    @abcde12345 said:
    "Closed in D". Rare in anyones book. (I'd suggest having pcgs authenticate after a currate but that gets lots of negative reviews on this page.)

    What is a Closed in D?

    I think I would ignore that comment and move on. Never heard of such a thing.

    The other posts seem right, the reverse die was overused causing this result. Kinda like the opposite result of the 1922 Plain with strong reverse.

  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Are you suggesting it is an altered 1948? If so, is there a VDB on Lincoln's shoulder?

  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It appears to be a genuine 1918-D cent. I see a rim cud die break on the obverse from 8:00 to 9:00.
    The reverse die looks like it was worn out - a very late die state. When dies are worn, it is not always the case that both the obverse and reverse are changed out at the same time.

    I think there are two possibilities here:

    1) The obverse was struck by a relatively fresh die and the reverse was struck by a worn out die.
    2) The reverse was struck through a very late-stage die cap.

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  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Could be a magican's penny. Check to see if the center is hollow.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I agree with Dan's assessment.... nothing really strange about that coin.... A good album hole filler. Cheers, RickO

  • lkeigwin
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    @abcde12345 said:
    Are you suggesting it is an altered 1948? If so, is there a VDB on Lincoln's shoulder?

    All genuine 1918-D's have VDB on Lincoln's shoulder. So I'm not sure what you are getting at.
    Lance.

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  • MICHAELDIXON
    MICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @mannie gray said:

    @Batman23 said:

    @Jcld said:

    @abcde12345 said:
    "Closed in D". Rare in anyones book. (I'd suggest having pcgs authenticate after a currate but that gets lots of negative reviews on this page.)

    What is a Closed in D?

    I think I would ignore that comment and move on. Never heard of such a thing.

    The other posts seem right, the reverse die was overused causing this result. Kinda like the opposite result of the 1922 Plain with strong reverse.

    I think in addition to "Flag", "quote", "Disagree" "Agree", "Like" and "LOL" we may need an additional option or two in order to respond to a certain alpha-numeric poster.
    Perhaps a "???" or "WTF?" might help.

    I have to agree 1000%!

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  • Jcld
    Jcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭
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    @mannie gray said:

    @Batman23 said:

    @Jcld said:

    @abcde12345 said:
    "Closed in D". Rare in anyones book. (I'd suggest having pcgs authenticate after a currate but that gets lots of negative reviews on this page.)

    What is a Closed in D?

    I think I would ignore that comment and move on. Never heard of such a thing.

    The other posts seem right, the reverse die was overused causing this result. Kinda like the opposite result of the 1922 Plain with strong reverse.

    I think in addition to "Flag", "quote", "Disagree" "Agree", "Like" and "LOL" we may need an additional option or two in order to respond to a certain alpha-numeric poster.
    Perhaps a "???" or "WTF?" might help.

    I am not convinced said poster is human.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2017 11:11AM
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    Thanks Dan! Welcome Anthony, nice coin!

  • tincup
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    Nice coin anthonypacy, just a worn reverse die. Unfortunately, hard to sell for more than the VG or F that the reverse grades at. Though not in all cases, 'split' grade coins tend to sell for the value of the weak side.

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  • joeykoins
    joeykoins Posts: 18,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2017 6:16AM
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    Hi and Welcome To School! I say school because you'll not only be taught about coins but in other areas as well. Such as, in ethics, manners and in business. Interesting thread you posted. Already it appears that you have been taught about your wheatie. You came to the right place for any questions you have. This Forum is pretty well knowledgeable on a vast amount of topics. We even have an expert error coin specialist! Always remember, to post often and don't be a stranger. and the most important thing is to have FUN! Once again, Welcome to our Forum. -joey :)

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  • Joker702
    Joker702 Posts: 3 ✭
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    I have a 1918 penny with extra metal on the edge. So my question to you guys is? Is this penny worth more or no?

  • Joker702
    Joker702 Posts: 3 ✭
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    The edge of the penny extra metal

  • WaterSport
    WaterSport Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's called rim Cud. Check this site out to learn more.

    http://cuds-on-coins.com

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  • Omegaraptor
    Omegaraptor Posts: 541 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sometimes the dies were just this bad on these earlier branch mint coins, particularly late teens to mid 20s.

    Also @abcde12345 cents from 1909 until 1917 did not have a VDB on Lincoln's shoulder. All 1918 and later cents should have a VDB (a couple of very late die states throughout the years have resulted in a missing VDB, but these carry very little if any premium).

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