@Wabbit2313 said:
I smell a banning in elmiracoin's future. Seems to be asking for a trip to the woodshed.
There's a plethora of new subscribers to the forum since the new platform was put into service. And it seems like all he!! has broken out with their arrivals. Some have gotten banned already. Has to be a number of previously banned Alt-IDs in that mix too.
@Wabbit2313 said:
I smell a banning in elmiracoin's future. Seems to be asking for a trip to the woodshed.
There's a plethora of new subscribers to the forum since the new platform was put into service. And it seems like all he!! has broken out with their arrivals. Some have gotten banned already. Has to be a number of previously banned Alt-IDs in that mix too.
Gosh I hope I'm not being too much of a bother here.. I try and help when and where I can.. I haven't seen anybody go full tilt except people who have been here a long time, but usually they're the best posters haha. It's hard for me to understand why someone would go off the rails in a free forum pcgs gives us and we can talk coins all day. I'd hate to lose that privilege.
@elmiracoin said:
So suggesting that the OP "Donate them to the ANA for YN giveaways and take the tax deduction" constitutes "non-constructive cynicism"?
There's something wrong with that picture Boobsibri
Boosibri has it right Elviracoin. And he said it rather nicely imo.
@bronco2078 said:
If I bought a 49 coin original roll I'd acquire a 50th coin to fill it out before I sold it,
If you did that and represented it as an original roll that would be fraud.
Yes but if you found an orphan coin of the same die pair as one of the 3 or 4 represented in the roll then I would think it kosher especially if disclosed and I think it would command the same price as if all original. One coin ain't gonna break the deal if its one of the same die pairs. The buyers will understand and dismiss it. That's what I would do if it were mine. It would be a fun challenge to boot.
@darktone said:
Also wanted to add those that would just slab them would not be the highest estimates since they are just looking for profit- the one that wants one of the last remaining BU rolls for their collection would surely be the one that would pay the most. I think Rick Snow said BU rolls were in the 30K range a few years ago.
If someone offers you $30k for a roll of common date red BU IHC cents, you should take the money and run unless there are rare varieties or MS66 or higher quality coins. At $30k, that's more than MS65 RD money each.
@tradedollarnut said:
Maybe it's just me but that one missing coin would take me from a significant premium to a slight discount. Just sayin...
How hard would it be to find a matching RD coin in plastic on eBay and break it out? I still agree with your point though. You cannot sell it as a fully intact original roll (if being truthful).
@cameonut2011 said:
How hard would it be to find a matching RD coin in plastic on eBay and break it out?
On ebay it would probably be pretty tough. The photos are difficult enough to judge with coins, let alone adding color to the mix. I would think you need to find the 50th coin live somewhere......
so many experts here, on so many different levels. makes one wonder if we were all in the same room, would the conversation be more pleasant or would there be bloodshed ? people in here bring out my primal instinct of wanting to help... them shut their mouth
regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
Heres and example: 22 of my roll came back MS63RD, and all the coins look like this one. Now I am stuck with some really nice examples of slabbed MS63s that are not worth much individually.
Keeping the coins as a roll and letting the next buyer "imagine and hope" that he has lots of gems will get you a better net price than doing what I did by slabbing all the coins. I tend to agree that the value is around 5K for the roll.
The OP wanted opinions on value and didn't like the answers.
My guesstimate was validated by the top expert in the IHC world who weighed-in at my request.
I was brutally honest and said I'm glad the OP owns them, not me. Then, all of a sudden, I am considered a troll.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
There is a Santa Claus in numismatics. If you'd been in the business for any length of time you'd know that. One of the biggest myths of coins is the "myth" that there is no SC in coins. SC is eagerly waiting every day for RIPs. And some of those guys are collectors waiting to RIP their dealers because they don't know enough. For most dealers buying from the unknowing public, it is XMAS every day. My favorite local shop, with probably the best ethics of any dealer in my area, has told me that numerous times. They have to routinely RIP the public just to keep the lights on and profits reasonable. And if you ever tell your local B&M of any rip you might have gotten off of them, there's a good chance your Santa Claus days are over. Some will pat you on the back...they are in the minority.
The OP wanted opinions and got sarcasm and ridicule from EC. Yeah, donate them.
EC's "opinion" was agreed to by one dealer who specializes in Indian Cents. Is that dealer that world's best authority of handling and marketing an original Indian Cent roll for optimum price? Would they be the highest buyer in the country in open competition/or at auction? What is the the auction retail potential of that roll?....probably something that could only be accurately be estimated by one of the big auction houses or largest of coin firms that get rolls of everything coming through their doors. How many who posted in this thread have bought a raw, RED Indian Cent roll at major auction, and then disposed of it by means other than flipping it? If they have, I would consider them to be one of the ones in the know.
You were brutal. Don't know about the honest part.
Troll? Maybe? How do you know Mad Marty? What was your previous ID here at the forum?
The truth cannot be fully told until that roll (or the next one like it) auctions off.
The OP wanted opinions on value and didn't like the answers.
My guesstimate was validated by the top expert in the IHC world who weighed-in at my request.
I was brutally honest and said I'm glad the OP owns them, not me. Then, all of a sudden, I am considered a troll.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
There is a Santa Claus in numismatics. If you'd been in the business for any length of time you'd know that. One of the biggest myths of coins is the "myth" that there is no SC in coins. Here's there every day waiting for RIPs. And some of those guys are collectors waiting to RIP their dealers because they don't know enough. For most dealers buying from the unknowledgeable public, it is XMAS every day.
The OP wanted opinions and got sarcasm and ridiculous criticism from EC.
EC's "opinion" was agreed to by one dealer who specializes in Indian Cents. Is that dealer that world's best authority of handling and marketing an original Indian Cent roll? Would they be the highest buyer in the country? The winning bidder if it were put up at auction? What is the the auction retail potential of that roll?....probably something that could only accurately be estimated by one of the big auction houses or largest of coin firms that get rolls of everything coming through their doors. How many who posted in this thread have bought a raw, RED Indian Cent roll at major auction? If they have, I would consider them to be one of the ones in the know.
You were brutal. Don't know about the honest part.
Troll? Maybe? How do you know Mad Marty? What was your previous ID here at the forum?
The truth cannot be fully told until that roll (or the next one like it) auctions off.
LOL.... for many dealers, everyday is Xmas .. true words
@elmiracoin said:
So suggesting that the OP "Donate them to the ANA for YN giveaways and take the tax deduction" constitutes "non-constructive cynicism"?
There's something wrong with that picture Boobsibri
If you are jealous of someone's else 's possession, why don't you just keep you keyboard in view only mode?
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There's a plethora of new subscribers to the forum since the new platform was put into service. And it seems like all he!! has broken out with their arrivals. Some have gotten banned already. Has to be a number of previously banned Alt-IDs in that mix too.
Why keep posting here if all you have to offer is non-constructive cynicism?
Latin American Collection
Gosh I hope I'm not being too much of a bother here.. I try and help when and where I can.. I haven't seen anybody go full tilt except people who have been here a long time, but usually they're the best posters haha. It's hard for me to understand why someone would go off the rails in a free forum pcgs gives us and we can talk coins all day. I'd hate to lose that privilege.
Boosibri has it right Elviracoin. And he said it rather nicely imo.
Yes but if you found an orphan coin of the same die pair as one of the 3 or 4 represented in the roll then I would think it kosher especially if disclosed and I think it would command the same price as if all original. One coin ain't gonna break the deal if its one of the same die pairs. The buyers will understand and dismiss it. That's what I would do if it were mine. It would be a fun challenge to boot.
If someone offers you $30k for a roll of common date red BU IHC cents, you should take the money and run unless there are rare varieties or MS66 or higher quality coins. At $30k, that's more than MS65 RD money each.
How hard would it be to find a matching RD coin in plastic on eBay and break it out? I still agree with your point though. You cannot sell it as a fully intact original roll (if being truthful).
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On ebay it would probably be pretty tough. The photos are difficult enough to judge with coins, let alone adding color to the mix. I would think you need to find the 50th coin live somewhere......
You should be more respectful.....
so many experts here, on so many different levels. makes one wonder if we were all in the same room, would the conversation be more pleasant or would there be bloodshed ? people in here bring out my primal instinct of wanting to help... them shut their mouth
Trying to weed through opinions of those that really don't know and the experts is hard to do. Usually the most vocal is the least knowledgeable.
I'm not glad the OP owns them and not me - I remember seeing a roll of those at the 1996 FUN convention and have wanted one ever since
Keeping the coins as a roll and letting the next buyer "imagine and hope" that he has lots of gems will get you a better net price than doing what I did by slabbing all the coins. I tend to agree that the value is around 5K for the roll.
Commems and Early Type
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yes indeed sometimes the levels of tone on the forum have increase
LOL.... for many dealers, everyday is Xmas .. true words
If you are jealous of someone's else 's possession, why don't you just keep you keyboard in view only mode?