Congratulations on these gorgeous additions to a really stunning collection!
It is really cool to see coins like these appreciated and shared with an appreciative audience of fellow collectors.
And such gorgeous skins on those sweeties!
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Hope you redisplay the set at a major show. Would love to see those.
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I've a relatively newcomer to these boards, but I've already knew that if you see a thread with TDN as the poster and "dreaming" on the title, you're in for a real numismatic treat, and this thread certainly delivers. What great coins. Thank you TDN for sharing this.
Well normally, I would just go by any thread concerning " Liberty Seated Dollars". Not because I dislike them, but because I never really had an interest in these. So, in saying that. Your thread is an exception! Let me first say, Congratulations, dude! They are truly beautiful. Esp. the Pedigree you have there. Purchasing these gems and knowing where they came from is "The apple of every collector's eye" You are what people call a true and committed Coin Collector. Buddy Ebsen? Wow! Now every time I see Mr. Ebsen on the small screen, I'll be thinking of your treasures. Let's see, whether I see him in " The Beverly Hillbillies", "Barnaby Jones", " The Twilight Zone", The original, first casting for the Tinman in" Wizard Of Oz", or what have you... I'm sure I'm speaking for most of the forum here, We're all so glad for you as well as, for all of us, that you pulled the trigger on these, to excite the forum and yourself. You gotta feel great after hunting and focusing on your dream, since almost the beginning of the Millennium, then finally having your dream come true. You probably felt like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, after she clicked her heels. " You must of said to the coins, " there's no place like HOME" Like you said, " Come to Papa!"
I have been curious about the relative rarity of the gem pre 1866 versus gem post 1866 seated dollars.
I always thought the post 1866 gem seated dollars were rarer than the gem early dated seated dollars. Yet TDN seem to have an easier time with the late date seated dollars. and only now has finally attacked the early gem seated dollars.
Well....there's simply many more dates prior to 1866 so that increases the opportunity. I'd say the cutoff is 1860. Pre 1860 is very tough in gem - there aren't any post 1860 philly coins that don't exist in gem whereas there are a few prior to that (40,42,43,45,50,55,56)
It is great that you share your collecting journey here. It allows a lot of us some vicarious enjoyment. I wish I could have made it to FUN to see your dollars.
Somewhat hard to pick from TVs but I think I favor the Norweb.
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@MrEureka said:
TDN - Now that you've picked these two up, how many Seated Dollars are left out there that you've seen and would like to buy for your set?
By 'seen', I'm assuming that you mean at least viewed an image to ascertain a certain level of confidence in look and quality. If so, then I'd say there's five coins (counting my old 70cc) that I desire to purchase for the set.
If by 'seen' you mean held in hand and examined, then just the one. Two more are on Coin Facts, one on an auction catalog cover in full color and another I missed out on right before I repurchased the set and is owned by a friend.
A. Roger: They appear on many "want lists" of the 1850s and 1860s, including people "begging" the Mint to make some for them.
Who was asking mint officials to produce additional 1851 and 1852 silver dollars? Were such requests explicitly stated in letters?
B. TDN: If by 'seen' you mean held in hand and examined, then just the one. Two more are on Coin Facts, one on an auction catalog cover in full color and another I missed out on right before I repurchased the set and is owned by a friend. ... Think you can guess those four?
Would it be a good idea for a collector to publicly announce any of the coins that he fervently desires for a set? Might such an announcement now result in higher asking prices or higher auction reserves in the future?
C. TDN's dedication, enthusiasm and willingness to share are very beneficial to the coin collecting community, IMO.
I enjoyed viewing his Liberty Seated dollars in Anaheim and his set of early silver dollars at FUN.
For decades, his 1794 dollar has been one of my favorite coins. As an early special striking, it is of tremendous importance to coin collectors and as part of the history of U.S. coinage.
Would it be a good idea for a collector to publicly announce any of the coins that he fervently desires for a set? Might such an announcement now result in higher asking prices or higher auction reserves in the future?
Most dealers just assume that I'm after ANY top pop so the price is already high. At this point in my set building career, opportunity is more important than price. With that said, I will sometimes refuse to pay a significant sum to upgrade coins where I have an example that I love - my 1795 flowing hair for example. I could have spent $200k+ several times to upgrade that coin a half a point but I'm just not going to do it unless some 'crazy special coin' that speaks to me as much as my 64+ comes along.
The difference between that and the 51/52 is that these two coins have been the finest for decades and are likely to remain the finest for all time. They are also dates of stature - a 1795 FH in gem or near gem is about as common as it comes for an early dollar.
"Who was asking mint officials to produce additional 1851 and 1852 silver dollars? Were such requests explicitly stated in letters?"
Silver dollars of 1851 and 1852 were on the want lists of nearly all major collectors of the era including Stickney, Cohen, Mickley, Maris, Brooks, Morris, Gilmour, etc. Stickney, among others, explicitly asked about getting restrikes of 1852. (This year seemed to be more difficult to obtain even as early as 1854.)
The above is incomplete and should nto be taken as difinitive, as research continues into distribution of pattern and experimental pieces, and restrikes.
Here is an overview of what's out there and which I would be interested in:
The 1850-O is owned by a friend. Yes, would definitely love to buy it from him but it remains one of his favorite coins. Perhaps one day I'll find something special for him and we'll pull off a trade.
The 1859 is on Coin Facts and looks absolutely gorgeous. Definitely would be interested in acquiring that coin but have no idea where it resides.
1861-not really interested based on the image I've seen of the better coin. Mine is fine
1863 was imaged on the cover of the Jascha Heifetz catalog and looks amazingly perfect. Yes, would be interested but do not know where it resides either
1870 - I love my coin and have no interest in upgrading to the 66 that I have seen
1870-cc I want my old coin back!
1872 - there is an MS66+ of this date on Coin Facts that looks like a 100% original luster bomb. Would love to see it in hand - have no idea where it resides.
Bruce, those are fantastic coins that almost all of us can only dream about. it is a treat just to know you and be able to view what otherwise would be the unviewable.
to put things in perspective, I'm going to the Cavs game this afternoon --- we'll be sitting up sorta high, I think I see you courtside!!!
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Congratulations on these gorgeous additions to a really stunning collection!
It is really cool to see coins like these appreciated and shared with an appreciative audience of fellow collectors.
And such gorgeous skins on those sweeties!
Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014
Nice your dream came true... Rewarding very nice rarities!
AB
Wowie wow wow.
It's great to have 2 15 year old dreams come true at once! How often does that happen?
Congrats on some great new additions!
Congrats comrade b.
Boy, what a great addition to the set!
Hope you redisplay the set at a major show. Would love to see those.
I've a relatively newcomer to these boards, but I've already knew that if you see a thread with TDN as the poster and "dreaming" on the title, you're in for a real numismatic treat, and this thread certainly delivers. What great coins. Thank you TDN for sharing this.
Monster Stikes and original skins. What is not to love?
Mr Eureka, I checked and Ebsen (yes, Buddy Ebsen) is not currently on the holder of the 1852. This other coin in my set was from the same sale:
Wow, wow and wow. Congrats on getting them.
Very nice, beautiful, original and high grade examples.
That's a killer set !
Well normally, I would just go by any thread concerning " Liberty Seated Dollars". Not because I dislike them, but because I never really had an interest in these. So, in saying that. Your thread is an exception! Let me first say, Congratulations, dude! They are truly beautiful. Esp. the Pedigree you have there. Purchasing these gems and knowing where they came from is "The apple of every collector's eye" You are what people call a true and committed Coin Collector. Buddy Ebsen? Wow! Now every time I see Mr. Ebsen on the small screen, I'll be thinking of your treasures. Let's see, whether I see him in " The Beverly Hillbillies", "Barnaby Jones", " The Twilight Zone", The original, first casting for the Tinman in" Wizard Of Oz", or what have you... I'm sure I'm speaking for most of the forum here, We're all so glad for you as well as, for all of us, that you pulled the trigger on these, to excite the forum and yourself. You gotta feel great after hunting and focusing on your dream, since almost the beginning of the Millennium, then finally having your dream come true. You probably felt like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, after she clicked her heels. " You must of said to the coins, " there's no place like HOME" Like you said, " Come to Papa!"
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I love the originality of that 1852 seated dollar which thas a cameo look although others may not agree with me and frankly I don't care!
I personally like the 1852 better than the 1851 so we agree there
Always nice when a collector's dreams come true. Coingrats!
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I have been curious about the relative rarity of the gem pre 1866 versus gem post 1866 seated dollars.
I always thought the post 1866 gem seated dollars were rarer than the gem early dated seated dollars. Yet TDN seem to have an easier time with the late date seated dollars. and only now has finally attacked the early gem seated dollars.
Perhaps TDN can comment?
Well....there's simply many more dates prior to 1866 so that increases the opportunity. I'd say the cutoff is 1860. Pre 1860 is very tough in gem - there aren't any post 1860 philly coins that don't exist in gem whereas there are a few prior to that (40,42,43,45,50,55,56)
TDN - Now that you've picked these two up, how many Seated Dollars are left out there that you've seen and would like to buy for your set?
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Congratulations on adding these two gems to your set. Finding these dates in any grade with original skin is extremely difficult. Thanks for sharing!
It is great that you share your collecting journey here. It allows a lot of us some vicarious enjoyment. I wish I could have made it to FUN to see your dollars.
Somewhat hard to pick from TVs but I think I favor the Norweb.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
By 'seen', I'm assuming that you mean at least viewed an image to ascertain a certain level of confidence in look and quality. If so, then I'd say there's five coins (counting my old 70cc) that I desire to purchase for the set.
If by 'seen' you mean held in hand and examined, then just the one. Two more are on Coin Facts, one on an auction catalog cover in full color and another I missed out on right before I repurchased the set and is owned by a friend.
Think you can guess those four?
A couple of wonderful coins! They appear on many "want lists" of the 1850s and 1860s, including people "begging" the Mint to make some for them.
I must say the '51 is stunning,tdn.Congrats on acquiring two very lovely pieces for your collection of these..
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A. Roger:
Who was asking mint officials to produce additional 1851 and 1852 silver dollars? Were such requests explicitly stated in letters?
B. TDN:
Would it be a good idea for a collector to publicly announce any of the coins that he fervently desires for a set? Might such an announcement now result in higher asking prices or higher auction reserves in the future?
C. TDN's dedication, enthusiasm and willingness to share are very beneficial to the coin collecting community, IMO.
I enjoyed viewing his Liberty Seated dollars in Anaheim and his set of early silver dollars at FUN.
For decades, his 1794 dollar has been one of my favorite coins. As an early special striking, it is of tremendous importance to coin collectors and as part of the history of U.S. coinage.
Incredible Carter-Lustig-Cardinal-Morelan 1794 silver dollar
Would it be a good idea for a collector to publicly announce any of the coins that he fervently desires for a set? Might such an announcement now result in higher asking prices or higher auction reserves in the future?
Most dealers just assume that I'm after ANY top pop so the price is already high. At this point in my set building career, opportunity is more important than price. With that said, I will sometimes refuse to pay a significant sum to upgrade coins where I have an example that I love - my 1795 flowing hair for example. I could have spent $200k+ several times to upgrade that coin a half a point but I'm just not going to do it unless some 'crazy special coin' that speaks to me as much as my 64+ comes along.
The difference between that and the 51/52 is that these two coins have been the finest for decades and are likely to remain the finest for all time. They are also dates of stature - a 1795 FH in gem or near gem is about as common as it comes for an early dollar.
Wonderful, Bruce. Just amazing.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
"Who was asking mint officials to produce additional 1851 and 1852 silver dollars? Were such requests explicitly stated in letters?"
Silver dollars of 1851 and 1852 were on the want lists of nearly all major collectors of the era including Stickney, Cohen, Mickley, Maris, Brooks, Morris, Gilmour, etc. Stickney, among others, explicitly asked about getting restrikes of 1852. (This year seemed to be more difficult to obtain even as early as 1854.)
The above is incomplete and should nto be taken as difinitive, as research continues into distribution of pattern and experimental pieces, and restrikes.
Here is an overview of what's out there and which I would be interested in:
The 1850-O is owned by a friend. Yes, would definitely love to buy it from him but it remains one of his favorite coins. Perhaps one day I'll find something special for him and we'll pull off a trade.
The 1859 is on Coin Facts and looks absolutely gorgeous. Definitely would be interested in acquiring that coin but have no idea where it resides.
1861-not really interested based on the image I've seen of the better coin. Mine is fine
1863 was imaged on the cover of the Jascha Heifetz catalog and looks amazingly perfect. Yes, would be interested but do not know where it resides either
1870 - I love my coin and have no interest in upgrading to the 66 that I have seen
1870-cc I want my old coin back!
1872 - there is an MS66+ of this date on Coin Facts that looks like a 100% original luster bomb. Would love to see it in hand - have no idea where it resides.
TDN,
Laura will spank you for publicly admitting what dates you still want in nicer grades!
I agree with her!!
Incredible coins and thanks for sharing your passion and pride.
Bruce, those are fantastic coins that almost all of us can only dream about. it is a treat just to know you and be able to view what otherwise would be the unviewable.
to put things in perspective, I'm going to the Cavs game this afternoon --- we'll be sitting up sorta high, I think I see you courtside!!!
stunning coins, I am still looking for the 50-O in P45......
Don't threaten him with a good time!
Hey, TDN I just gave you a like, and it took you to 500 points and another ⭐️. Your welcome lol.
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Just randomly viewing old posts. Really enjoyed seeing Seated coins in the rarified state of preservation Bruce likes them in.
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@tradedollarnut I'm really curious to see a photo of your old 70-CC which you are waiting on to become available again!
I think he's just shaking the tree to see if they fall out?
Which sometimes beats patiently waiting in silence getting nowhere.
He sold his seated dollar set to Hansen if I recall correctly.
Which would you rather have these 2 coins or the 2 Mercs?? They cost about the same.
doesnt Hansen own both?
Yep, he does. He got a bargin on the Dollars. I can't describe what he got on the Dimes!